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6 years - called it a day

The Alfa has gone 6 years and enough was enough. Owned the 159 for 20 months and in short got an unlucky one. Nothing looks as good but most seems to be better built. I have followed in family tradition on bought a 3 series 330i. Apologies
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Yeh , these Alfas can be very testing at times

If only they could up the build quality a couple of notches, think what it could do for the sales
Some are a lot better than others it seems, guess you were just a bit unlucky, but i suppose there is only so much you can tolerate

Good Luck with the BM anyhow
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What things went wrong with your Alfa to push you into selling it? 20 months isn't too shabby though.
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If you want fast and reliable get a 911. 996 model are sensible money. Still not as much soul as an Alfa though.
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If you want fast and reliable get a 911. 996 model are sensible money.
And way more trouble than any Alfa - countless stories of hand grenade 3.4 engines needing replacing every 10k miles at 10k a pop. Porsche customer service is nearly as good as Alfa's when this happens.
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If you want fast and reliable get a 911. 996 model are sensible money. Still not as much soul as an Alfa though.
As nogrip.
The '996' was a very poor 911.
Just how poor is reflected in used prices, a bit of an embarrassment to Porsche.
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The Boxster/ 996 range was the saviour of Porsche. There are issues on some early 3.4 cars. Those have either had the ten grand rebuild which is by Hartech and are completely bomb proof now or they were uneffected. My car is a tiptronic 3.6 engine convertible. In two years use as my daily driver it's required one service- long service intervals on them- done around 16,000 miles and needed a set of tyres,new wiper blades and MOT s. The one I had before had just over 200,000 miles on it as mine and largely the previous owners daily driver with regular maintenance and a gearbox rebuild in his ownership. The Fiat 500 we run for a shopping/ kids car has cost four times as much in the same time. The Alfa in my brief ownership has cost me already treble what two plus years of Porsche ownership has...... Our Volvo estate xc70 family workhorse and dog carrier has done treble the Porsche mileage in the same period but at twice the costs and still the most reliable if dull car we have run. In a long time.
The Spider is by far the prettiest car on my drive. It's the one I prefer to. Use when it's actually usable. It gets positive smiles and comments. Wherever I take it ether the others get ignored or in the case of the Porsche generally hostility/ green eyed monster......my daughter drives a Gt Alfa petrol which is great and it's my plan to get a 3.2 Busso engined one as a daily to replace the 911 whose prices have now actually risen to the point where my car is valued higher than the figure I paid for it......I. Have begun to think it's a possible investment and needs cosseting a little now....
I am on a few car forums and always wince when people who don't own a Porsche criticise it for the pub talk/ mates brother opinions on them. I did think that an Alfa forum would have been a little more sensitive to this attitude. Cheapest car to run I have had for years......
The wheel/ suspension fell off my first Alfa Veloce sprint twice and I still loved it. The 156 estate I had was awesome. We caned it with three kids and two dogs on long fast journeys for three years before he Sud one grand badly serviced willing beast died of repair costs outweighing its value. My wife still loves that car now. My experiences with the Spider are largely expensive and painful but I love the car.
There are issues with every car. Not all cars are iconic or beautiful though. Room for all.
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Those have either had the ten grand rebuild which is by Hartech and are completely bomb proof now or they were uneffected.
It still took a bloke in is shed in Bolton to sort out the poor Porsche engineering
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Hartech were (are?) a brilliant company. I used to take my Porsches there - only 20 miles from me.

A good friend of mine is a 911 nut, having owned a 3.2 Carrera, 964, 993, 996 and 997, along with a Boxster S which was the first in the UK, privately imported.
From what I remember, his big problem with the 996 was something to do with oil seals. I think he got the work done under warranty then got rid for a later 997. It's always hushed over when there's 'Porsche talk'. Now runs a BMW M5, but wish he'd kept hold of the 993. Now there's a proper 911, and prices have gone through the roof as befits it.

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Previously (selective): Porsche 944 Turbo; Porsche 944S; Jaguar XJ6; Audi Coupe; Mark 2 Golf GTI.
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Spend fifteen grand on a good 996 non turbo and experience sub six second sixty and 150 mph in a quick burst to overtake and be patient and see just short of 180 mph. Running costs of BMW. Be prepared to be hated, loathed, not let out of junctions,have your sides of car whacked by others doors as amusement and raced by ***** in just about any souped up bean tin.
Take it on a long early morning run and just be shown how easy it is to be quick. Had over 200 cars in my life several with 300 plus bhp and the only car that comes close to the 911 for covering ground comfortably and quick was the Audi A8 v8 I ran ten years ago. Never owned a BMW.
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I was going for a 996 a couple of years back only because I couldn't afford the better looking 997. For me though the cons out did the pro's. The 996 had more than 20,000 built per year and about 5% of those have had the shaft bearing problems resulting in the 10,000 rebuild, so it's just bad luck if you cop for a bad-one really. Also the cylinder liners can crack too, but the Gt versions seem to be holding out much better than the S, C4S, or the Turbo models. The 3.4 doesn't have enough Bhp for a commitment to Porsche service and parts/labour cost prices for me, also the styling of the 996 headlights are none Porsche like for me too, the interior is bland in the 996. The 3.6 S isn't a real fast car either, a new Audi 2.0t S3 would out pace one with only 261Bhp with the auto box and launch control. I really would stick with the Brera over a 996 or 997 due to running costs, insurance and specialist repair bills
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My experience of Alfa has so far, touch wood been good. Bad cars can come from any maker and models touted as super reliable can have a load go wrong and leave you with a big bill it's luck of the draw, but the longer you keep a car the more the costs tend to relate to the average. If you have it 2 or 3 years you might be lucky and have nothing go wrong or get a load go wrong and think so much for the running a costs on this.....

The BMW straight six is well regarded engine from what I've read
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My experience of Alfa has so far, touch wood been good. Bad cars can come from any maker and models touted as super reliable can have a load go wrong and leave you with a big bill it's luck of the draw, but the longer you keep a car the more the costs tend to relate to the average. If you have it 2 or 3 years you might be lucky and have nothing go wrong or get a load go wrong and think so much for the running a costs on this.....

The BMW straight six is well regarded engine from what I've read
Lots of problems with BMW straight 6's as well. Friend had one in a 5 series and had to replace injectors, coils, oil leak,etc. Not really that major but very expensive to fix. I would say comparable reliability to Alfa. You can get a really good example or a really poor one.
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I agree with PeterRM, any car can give problems, touch wood I have never had a serious problem with any of my Alfa's, sell inflicted issues, YES. In the dark and distant past we ran Bmer's, both my wife and I had them, however it would be fairly safe to say that we very rarely had two cars on the road at the same time. Both she and I had several '02's, great little cars but they all (four of them) had to have replacement cylinder heads, a while earlier my Csl had to have a new head and so on and so forth. My wife will not have another Bmer on the drive (shame because I quite like the look of the 435 I think it is.
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The 02 was probably from a time when BMWs had a much better reputation, and I'm not necessarily talking about reliability...
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Hartech were (are?) a brilliant company. I used to take my Porsches there - only 20 miles from me
I couldn't agree more - I was dragged up in Bolton just down the road from him - Barry did my first Porsche engine swap (a poorly 944) at his own house back in the day because he didn't have any premises then.. he's built a cracking setup since.
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What's all this teutonic nonsense? I thought this was a technical forum pertaining to Alfa 159, Brera and 946 Spider
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Lots of problems with BMW straight 6's as well. Friend had one in a 5 series and had to replace injectors, coils, oil leak,etc. Not really that major but very expensive to fix. I would say comparable reliability to Alfa. You can get a really good example or a really poor one.
Have owned 3 straight six BMWs so feel qualified to comment, 320i, 323i and 525i

From what i remember they were fantastic , smooth as silk and no problems at all with the engines on any of them, all 3 needed new batteries and various brake pipes which were more age related than anything, otherwise they were fine.

Handling was brilliant also, just not as stylish as an Alfa
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I must share this, it made me smile, i decided after reading this thread to have a look for a 996, one should always have an open mind, bearing in mind what alfski and clay19 said. SSSSSooooo on to autotrader for a quick look, first one on the list 996 coupe, going cheap, failed engine........it happens to the best I guess.
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What's all this teutonic nonsense? I thought this was a technical forum pertaining to Alfa 159, Brera and 946 Spider
You can even advertise parts and cars in this section now, think of it as just a 159-Brera-Spider forum.
Looks like anything goes, even comparisons with Porsche and BMW...
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The 02 was probably from a time when BMWs had a much better reputation, and I'm not necessarily talking about reliability...
I hate to say it but you are absolutely correct, we bought them because thay were good to drive and dispite the issues we had I enjoyed them, bit like an Alfa really. People would come and ask you about them, now unfortunately you are just buying a flash brand.
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The 159 is a very solid well put together car, almost too well made for some.

If you had a bad example that's a real shame but for every bad one there are 100's of good ones. In reality the 159 is probably no better nor worse than most manufacturers from 10years ago (please remember this isn't a new car !)

Give my 7yr old 159TI a good clean and afterwards still looks stunning.....few cars on the road solicit such a response from me.
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Sad to hear. Alfas, for me anyway, complicate things to the max. I mean, one small electrical volt too little and the whole car becomes unusable, yes,safety etc, but at least built the system in such a way that the basics of a car, take you from A to B remain in tact and not have all these warnings pop up and disable the whole friggin car from starting, driving etc.

I am close to you, I will give her one more chance...
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