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So my Brera S was in today in relation to a noise from the O/S front end. After a full inspection by my mechanic the car needs front bushes (but been told these can't be bought separately so needs two new arms), a power steering pump, new flywheel so a clutch as well and the gearbox has to come out due to very grey oil. Looking at a hefty bill and hoping my warranty will assist with some of the parts as it is supposed to cover 'wear and tear' as well after 30 days. It's lucky the car looks so bloody good!
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Did you buy the car privately or from a dealer?

If it was from a dealer you can expect them to cover most of the cost, as a car should be fit for purpose when it is sold...
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Did you buy the car privately or from a dealer?

If it was from a dealer you can expect them to cover most of the cost, as a car should be fit for purpose when it is sold...
Unfortunately it was bought privately from a fellow forum member.
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Unfortunately it was bought privately from a fellow forum member.


Same thing happened to me when I bought my 159 last year
Lots of bills very soon after taking ownership and as with you bought from a member of this forum- was told and believed the car was fine
The lesson learned is not all enthusiasts keep on top of maintaining their cars and then offload them when hefty bills/repairs rear up
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I've noticed a number of people trying to sell cars on here who have hardly been active on this forum.
Don't assume all members are enthusiasts.
The post count/join date can be a clue.
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Cheers bud for the words. It had a full service history and lots of work had been done over the years and a very recent service from an Alfa specialist. I'm guessing that was the catalyst for the sale. I've definitely learnt the hard (and very expensive way) but onwards and upwards. Hopefully once it is fixed I'll get a good few years of happy motoring out of it.
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A very understanding view of things Benzo26 I hope you get it sorted out. Shame on anyone who sells a car with faults known to them. Thats not to say the faults were unknown of course, but I have seen people on here talk about getting rid of their car because this that or another problem is looming, its outrageous and despicable.
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Part of me is angry but a big part of me is just trying to look forward. If I let the anger take over it will serve no constructive purpose. The guy has been an Alfa owner for years owning various models and the likes of the gearbox was only detected because my mechanic was going over absolutely everything with a fine tooth comb. Driving it is couldn't feel any issues with it at all but he felt something. Maybe the other things were noted at the last service but I'll never know so just have to sell my body to make some money haha.
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A very understanding view of things Benzo26 I hope you get it sorted out. Shame on anyone who sells a car with faults known to them. Thats not to say the faults were unknown of course, but I have seen people on here talk about getting rid of their car because this that or another problem is looming, its outrageous and despicable.
Common practice I would think.

Most people who have a car which is running well are likely to keep it, unless they simply fancy a change.
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Just playing devils advocate here but if you couldn't feel anything wrong on the test drive, maybe the former owner couldn't either? Most mechanics asked to give a car a good going over with a fine tooth comb could probably come up with jobs on most 5+ year old cars.

Did he say how urgent any of the jobs were?
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Just playing devils advocate here but if you couldn't feel anything wrong on the test drive, maybe the former owner couldn't either? Most mechanics asked to give a car a good going over with a fine tooth comb could probably come up with jobs on most 5+ year old cars.

Did he say how urgent any of the jobs were?
No in fairness to the previous owner he seemed very genuine and straight with me. Long time Alfa owner and I wouldn't point the finger at him. The gearbox issue has only been detected because my mechanic took it for a drive to listen for the initial noise I heard and felt something wrong with the gear change from 2nd to 3rd. They drained the gear box oil and it was grey so something is amiss. The PS pump is making noises so will expire soon enough I'd say and the flywheel is also making noises. The mechanic is a good friend and long time worker on all my cars so I do trust him when he says it all needs done.

The main issue he felt was that the rear brake pads were new (as of May) but the discs weren't changed and he said they are really bad. Car has only done a few hundred since that service so that should have been detected and same with the split bushes as he said they are badly destroyed and that doesn't happen overnight.

I'm not mechanically minded so what I've typed is from him and not me lol.
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Did you look through previous owner receipts for works carried out, i.e when the last clutch was replaced, turbo, DMF, pads, oil e.t.c, if there was no record of these being replaced then I would assume at some stage in your ownership these things will need doing, probably why your mechanic pointed these out, or perhaps previous owners held out for as long as they could without forking out. Atleast with all those replaced, you can have peace of mind that you've got the car into ship shape and won't need to replace those for years to come.

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Did you look through previous owner receipts for works carried out, i.e when the last clutch was replaced, turbo, DMF, pads, oil e.t.c, if there was no record of these being replaced then I would assume at some stage in your ownership these things will need doing, probably why your mechanic pointed these out, or perhaps previous owners held out for as long as they could without forking out. Atleast with all those replaced, you can have peace of mind that you've got the car into ship shape and won't need to replace those for years to come.
Yeah full service history and when I saw that the rear pads had been replaced in May I assumed it meant the discs were ok. Other work had been done in May during the service so I assumed everything else was OK. I didn't expect a clutch/ flywheel to need changed on this car at 50k and the gearbox is the main nightmare for me cost wise but again I wouldn't have expected this to need fixed at 50k.

As you say, once these things are fixed the main problems should be covered. The timing chain had been done about 4k ago so fingers crossed all the big jobs will be done and I can enjoy it properly.
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Common practice I would think.

Most people who have a car which is running well are likely to keep it, unless they simply fancy a change.
Mmm. Whenever I have sold a car privately its because I want to move on to something else, so I make sure the car I'm selling is tip top, I'd hate someone to buy a car from me then have big bills.
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Mmm. Whenever I have sold a car privately its because I want to move on to something else, so I make sure the car I'm selling is tip top, I'd hate someone to buy a car from me then have big bills.
Same here, but I have been caught out myself.

Sometimes you could spend 500 making a car worth a couple of hundred quid more.

Obviously in that situation it is better to sell the car as is, but mention the issue.

We are just about to buy another car for my Missus, and we are are looking to spend 2500 on a family type car.

It is a minefield at that price point. So many neglected and abused cars with faults around.
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Phone call from the mechanic- 3300 total bill. I am absolutely gutted with this.
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Is it an Alfa specialist? I wouldn't use a non specialist one and I definitely wouldn't use a main dealer.

Have you got one of those add on warranties? I had one once. Never again, they wriggled out of everything...

You could always stagger the repairs into what needs to be done now and budget for the flywheel, etc further down the line..
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Not sure what is Brera S exactly means if any particular.
I have assumed the discussed car is petrol one since chain has been referred.
Which engine ???...
Which gearbox ???...
what is mileage ???...
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Yes I took a warranty out with Warranty Assist and funny old thing, they won't cover anything even though they are supposed to cover wear and tear damage to components. I've appealed it but I won't hold my breath. Not using a stealer as their labour rates would be horrific and using a guy I've used for years with my Corrado and Golf R32 so he is good and wouldn't rip me off. Sickened but not much I can do.
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Not sure what is Brera S exactly means if any particular.
I have assumed the discussed car is petrol one since chain has been referred.
Which engine ???...
Which gearbox ???...
what is mileage ???...
Must be the 2.2 as he's mentioned the gearbox.
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Phone call from the mechanic- 3300 total bill. I am absolutely gutted with this.
That sounds crazy.
If the gearbox had actually gone bang, which it hasn't, you'd be looking at around 1200 to put in a reconditioned one. It should just be the bearings at this stage, 750?
The clutch will add a bit, not sure about the other bits - you mention power steering pump, not a new rack, so not a huge amount of money there.
Without question I'd be getting a second opinion/quote.
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The Brera 2.2 S or Prodrive. 50k on the clock.
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Phone call from the mechanic- 3300 total bill. I am absolutely gutted with this.
That sounds crazy.
If the gearbox had actually gone bang, which it hasn't, you'd be looking at around 1200 to put in a reconditioned one. It should just be the bearings at this stage, 750?
The clutch will add a bit, not sure about the other bits - you mention power steering pump, not a new rack, so not a huge amount of money there.
Without question I'd be getting a second opinion/quote.
Yeah gearbox is potentially the big cost but won't know what the extent of the work is until they get it out to look at it. Apparently some of the parts are Alfa order only so that is what is making things expensive. With the warranty not paying out I'll be shopping around to try and get that price down a lot. Clutch is about 300 and flywheel is same. Two suspension arms and then the rear discs and a couple of minor jobs. I'll look about.
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This place rebuilt my gearbox just before I bought the Brera. They seem to know their stuff..

M32 Gearbox | WG Motorworks

I've got the invoice for 500...
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