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Hi can any one help
i want to convince my wife on the fuel saving i can make by swapping
from my civic type R, to the 159 jdtm lusso
so could some one tell me what sort of milage you can expect to get
out of £20 worth of fuel on combined town and A road driving
please any help would be great thanks
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1.9 or 2.4 or latest 2.0 as there is quite a difference between these and there are thousands of threads here on mpg including a sticky! Read the threads that already exist as there really isn't anything new to say.

After a Type R make sure you test drive all engine options before you buy. They may be to big and cumbersome after the Type R but can all be de-constipated by a DPF removal and remap.
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I have a 1.9 jtdm 16v lusso. In an 08 plate with 52k. In standard form.
On Friday I left Cardiff and drive to Huntingdon at 64mph (cruise control on). I collected my son and we drove from there to Reading, where we spent the weekend doing legoland. Then I did the journey in reverse at the same speed.
I fuelled up before and at the end and recorded the details on fully.com. (see alfaholic 159 for full details)
Anyway I covered over 600 miles and still had 1/4 of a tank left with a range of over 120 miles
The trip computer recorded 46.6 mpg. But the actual as calculated by fully.com was in fact 49.9 mpg.
If this isn't reason enough to ditch the Honda I don't know what is......


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that is spot on hopefully i can twist her arm now!!!
my civic i get around 100 miles off £20
so that would be a hell of a difference i have seen one i am trying to do a deal on on ebay 07 plate red leather
and it is imaculate might be getting a straight swap as my car only has 31000 on the clock the alfa has 70000
and full service and priced at just under 7 grand hopefully i can get it now!!!
cheers Mate
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Originally Posted by blown gasket View Post
that is spot on hopefully i can twist her arm now!!!
my civic i get around 100 miles off £20
so that would be a hell of a difference i have seen one i am trying to do a deal on on ebay 07 plate red leather
and it is imaculate might be getting a straight swap as my car only has 31000 on the clock the alfa has 70000
and full service and priced at just under 7 grand hopefully i can get it now!!!
cheers Mate
If its the one in Worcester with horseshoes. It looks wicked!!
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Don't make fuel consumption the deciding factor! :-) Whilst the 159 diseasel CAN do 50 mpg, you are more likely to be in the mid to high thirties and a good pasting down the road and some town running will reduce even that.
It won't be nearly as perky as the Honda but is more grown-up
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When I picked up my 159 JTDm Lusso (1.9) I got 52mpg on the way home (M62 with lots of 50mph sections)

these days I get anything from 35mpg to 45mpg on the trip computer (which I find at the moment is almost 100% accurate based on a brim to brim)

it all depends on how you drive it!

I have done just over 5k in mine (and most of the time I'm using 100% Biodiesel)
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Originally Posted by alfaholik View Post
If its the one in Worcester with horseshoes. It looks wicked!!
yes mate thats the one
seems like a good car at good money
now all i have to do is see if he will swap i e-mailed him and he seems realy interested
going to phone this morning
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The 1.9jtdm isn't the most economical engine on the market, but it is a decent enough compromise. I am on my third 1.9jtdm, 2x 159s and 1x GT, so it must be ok!

Town driving gives mid 30s, any motorway at 70mph gives late 40s, anything over 70 and the mpg drops, but still in the early 40s.

A mild remap may help you to balance the power and weight differential between the Civic and the 159, and once you have stopped enjoying the extra power, the mpg goes up.
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And don't worry too much about the mileage on the car, as long as all the correct maintenance has been done, it is good for well over 100K.

Mines a 2009 58 plate and have 98580 miles on the clock, and rising rapidly! The engine is nicely loosened up now. Revs well, pulls well, and when pushed actually makes a decent enough growl.

If the one you are looking at hasn't had a cam belt/water pump done yet, factor that into the deal, its a must at 70K.
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good luck with your swap!
I am now finally looking into a 159 after forgetting all the research I did a couple of years ago! how annoying! lots of reading to do again...
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check my fuelly

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Originally Posted by Joomoo View Post
thats a great way for comparison
i would'nt dare put my civic on that it would scare me to death
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Things to check:-
Creaking clutch pedal. Probably just the pivot but a bugger to get at.

Sticking clutch pedal - it doesn't always return the last 20 - 30mm of travel. Can be pivot bearing, master or slave cylinder or even clutch. if it is slave cylinder or clutch then that very expensive.

It should pull faultlessly smooth - test it by cruising on light throttle and then both very, very gently accelerating and hard accelerating - any hesitation suggests possible glogged EGR valve or clogged DPF. EGR can be removed and cleaned or replaced (£150 incl labour) relatively cheaply but clogged DPF while rare is VERY expensive. Either fault should show a Engine Management Light and hold fault code in the ECU but that doesn't always happen. Either way have it remapped and both of these constipation devices removed - you will not look back.

Check all the tyres front and rear for edge wear. If there is any then negotiate a reduction for tyres and a 4 wheel alignment (£100) adjustment. If they are new tyres negotiate a 4 wheel alignment anyway - read the thread by "OldEngineer" (link below) on tyre wear and you will know it must be done with settings different to the manufacturers.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...rect-data.html (Steering Alignment (with Correct Data))

Play a CD and make sure it ejects. The players are known for not playing and not ejecting CDs. That usually means removing the player to get them out. Not hard but frustrating.
If Bluetooth phone connection is essential make sure the Blue&Me connects to your phone.
Take a memory stick with MP3s on it and check that it plays through the USB port in the glove box and that the steering controls work.
When playing music also make sure the voice controls work. When playing the music press the "voice" button on the steering, it looks like this ))) and say aloud "next." The player should move to the next track. Try the same with a CD playing and again it should go to the next track.
Voice and steering controls should also work with your phone.
If you hear "Language pack not installed" again it is a free download onto a memory stick and you can install it yourself. My car was 3 years old and the English language was not loaded onto the car from new!

With the exception of sticking CDs most of the media player issues can be fixed with a simple software upgrade that you can download for free and do yourself from a USB stick but some cars systems play sill buggers and won't accept the update.

Do all the usual checks and remember that the cam belt is both mileage and / or time dependent.

The brembo brake callipers have do seize but a relatively simple strip and clean will get them working again but the pad retaining pins will probably be destroyed getting them out. The pins are a few pounds each and 1hrs labour should be enough to unseize the callipers.

Make sure there is no vibration under light or heavy braking. Seized or previously seized callipers have been known to warp disks. £300 should get good pads and discs and 1hr to fit.

The boot hydraulic rams have plastic ends and these break so look closely at yours for cracks - you only know they are failed when the second one breaks and the boot hits the rear window. I my replacement ones were about £40 per pair with metal ends and a very easy fit for DIY.

Make sure it has two keys and that both open the car and start it. It can be just a battery or £300 fix if one doesn't work.

You decide how hard to haggle if there are any faults described above. Unless it is an Alfa specialist they won't know themselves if the fixes are cheap or expensive.

I have listed most of the common faults. As this one has nice mileage it will have been driven regularly and hopefully well maintained and these car like that. Low mileage cars that spend long periods of time standing and are only serviced by mileage usually give more problems so you should avoid a lot of the above.

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Thanks thats a great indepth heads up
i shall be checking all of these things now!!
just wish i knew the reg number of the car so i could see if it was known on here.
got to wait untill tomorow when the guy is back at the garage so i can see what
deal we can arrange, before i travel down to the garage
Thanks again Steve
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based on my long term average on fuelly.com, my 1.9jtdm (remapped) would do about 140 miles off £20 of diesel. my driving is a fair mix of town, motorway & rush hour driving. they're a great long distance car - if you do a long motorway run at 70mph you can expect to be nudging 50 to the gallon
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fantastic info up there mate, some I'd not heard before!
Just seen a car today at last, sadly was a bit on the tired side, shame as apart from the small niggles - too many of them, the engine seemed to be very tight and healthy!
no proper service history though...
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The engines on these tend to be sound as they are a well tried diesel unit and hey will hit high mileage very easily; well apart from DPF / EGR but that isn't strictly engine is it! It is the "niggles" that will frustrate and swallow money unless you can DIY or have an experienced Alfa mechanic.
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ref not ejecting CDs. The player (panasonic under the skin) doesn't like scratched CDs.The problem is if the CD is scratched it won't read the CD but neither will the bugger eject it.

A bit like a dog that will fetch a ball but won't give it back to throw again. Very frustrating!
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i've had 61mpg on the trip computer at least 3 times doing 60mph and a range of 901miles to a full tank but real figure is when you fill her up do a round trip and fill her up again and calculate the mpg from the difference. its not the best engine built but it does perform well. from the fuel gauge i get at least 124 miles to 9.5 litres which is around 52mpg...i'm a happy man
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been down to reading and back today. got completely snarled up around birmingham due to the M6 toll closure this morning which added 2 hours of stop/start 1st gear driving to my journey, then in very heavy traffic on the M42 in rush hour on the way back up north. otherwise i was mostly doing 80 (ish, honest officer )

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I really want one now! my 1.6 is giving pretty good mpg now since replacing 'stat and adapting my driving. the thought of saving a bit more = mpg and tax! nice...

and how good does the 159 look...
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thankyou you convinced the wife!!!!

Well what more can i say your fantastic responses have convinced my wife
that getting the Alfa is the way to go
i have been a member on the Honda forums and various other forums for years
and i can honestly say that this one has just blown my mind
how helpfull the members are and how willing to share advice
on my other forums they just slag each other off and take the peee out
of anything you post, very clicky as well
so again a massive thanks and if anyone has any more usefull info i dont
mind reading it at all
in the meantime still waiting for that elusive deal against my civic!! the guy with the 159 i want is away for a few days so can't sort anything yet so i have got to wait untill he gets back
thanks again
very soon to be 159 owner Steve
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we never slag each other off here, we compliment other owners about their cars

the build quality is very good although i am hearing the odd squeak but the beauty and sensual driving experience easily forgives the little issues.
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Originally Posted by blown gasket View Post
i can honestly say that this one has just blown my mind
how helpfull the members are and how willing to share advice
on my other forums they just slag each other off and take the peee out
of anything you post
You just aren't reading the right threads. .

Try some of these old favourites:

"These Accelera tyres, are they any good?"

Or

"Diesel engines - they have no place in an Alfa Romeo"

Gauranteed to start a row
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