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TRACKING ISSUE 159 Ti

Hi all. I have a 58 plate 159 Ti which i love but has a few issues.

Firstly, on the way home after i bought the car i noticed the tracking was out. It pulled to the left slightly. I took it back to Mangoletsi's and they did admit that it was out and re-aligned it.......until i drove it home again and it was STILL pulling to the left!!!!

I take it that this issue is linked heavily with the tire ware issue that the 159's suffer with?? My tires are quite new (think they were changed before i bought the car) so can't tell yet if the inside edges are wearing out. Is this something that they can fix or are people on here finding that the problem won't go away even after the tracking has been sorted? (Again)

Secondly, I have a grinding sensation on my clutch pedal when i get the "bite."
I'm not sure if this is normal for alfas or even the 159's. I am a bit of an alfa newbee.
Could this be the clutch "on it's way out?" I don't ride the clutch so i'm guessing it can't be that.
When i took it to mangoletsi's the first time for the tracking problem, they diagnosed the grinding sensation as Drive Shafts!!! Now, i'm no technician but this is a bit confusing. The car is booked to go back in next week for drive shaft replacement and i'm going to tell them also that the tracking is still out! Is there an issue with driveshafts on the 159's too? The car has only done 46k.

If anyone has had a similar experience then it would be great to know the in's and out's.
I do love my 159 but at the same time i'm hoping that i won't fall out with my dealer.

Ps i forgot to add, i'm only getting around 30-35 mpg according to the computer. I do a mixture of overtaking and careful driving but never thrash the thing. Is this about right for the 1.9 jtdm?
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Here's the best link on Tracking...

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...rect-data.html
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Thanks old engineer! I have given it a read and basically i am to tell the garage to set it "back to zero?"

It's frustrating as this will be the second time it's going in for this. Do they not road test the car after the work they carry out?? Or maybe now thinking about it, they might have not done the work in the first place.
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They might have only done the front alignment. It's likely yours has the rear crabbing which will lead to a pull on the steering because the rear is trying to track off centre.
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Yeah you could be right as the steering wheel does seem to be dead centre this time but does seem to crab to the left. It's only slight but i'm definitely correcting the steering whilst driving.

I'll try to have a word with the technician and see if he can align all four wheels.
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They can't do it at Mango's AFAIK. Spend the £90 or so on a Hunter full 4 wheel alignment, it'll significantly improve the life of the tyres and it'll drive better. Money very well spent on any 159 - ignore the dealers on this point - just have it done and know it's been done.

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Oh cheers for that jim. I didn't know Mango's couldn't do it. That will explain why it's still doing it maybe.

Ok i will look into getting the hunter wheel alignment done. But as yourself and many others have stated on this issue, you have all said it will be a lot better after the proper alignment. Will it not be perfect or "right" in this case? Is it a case of getting it 95% right for example? will it be 100% right after this hunter alignment?
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I gpt through two sets of fronts and assorted "reassurances" by Mangos from new before I had it done at Lang's garage in Bolton.

I can say the difference was immense and immediately noticeable - and they said mine wasn't actually that far out! My last set of (admittedly cheaper, harder Acceleras) have lasted a full 24k and are still legal but they're going next week anyway, compared with <14k on my last Pirellis that were godawful after half life and were well worn on the inside edge.

Even though mine are still evenly worn, I'm having it done again after the tyres are fitted - a minor pain that my local tyre shop doesn't have the Hunter kit but I think it is well worth the money for the longevity and steering benefits.



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Yeah mine are Bridgestone potenza's so i wouldn't like to know how much they are a corner!
They are pretty new so will have to get the hunter alignment done and then see how it is.

Your keen having it done after each tyre change!!

I did actually mention this before i bought the car and mango's told me i wouldn't get more than 10-12k on the front's. Surely thats dependent on compound of tyre and how hard you drive?!
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Originally Posted by FrankieAlfista View Post
Your keen having it done after each tyre change!!

I did actually mention this before i bought the car and mango's told me i wouldn't get more than 10-12k on the front's. Surely thats dependent on compound of tyre and how hard you drive?!
I probably wouldn't have done before this car tbh but the difference was such that I felt it worth being done again as I got 24k under it since then and you know how bad our roads are.

I'm actually surprised Mango's was quite so honest on that point! It's well documented that you can get as little as 10-12k, my experience was a bit better but I still only got 16k off the OE Continentals (better than Pirellis IMHO). You're looking at around £265 per corner, or £300-330 for Pirellis. The Conti's and Pirellis are quite soft compound and your driving style will have a bit of an impact too as you say.

BTW If you have a Ti, I don't think you can have Bridgestone's in the correct rating/size of 19" tyre.
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Originally Posted by 73GTVJim View Post
BTW If you have a Ti, I don't think you can have Bridgestone's in the correct rating/size of 19" tyre.
You can now (a recent addition to the range), but his probably are the wrong ones with 92Y instead of the correct 96Y...
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You can now (a recent addition to the range), but his probably are the wrong ones with 92Y instead of the correct 96Y...
Yes. I spotted the 92Y when searching for new fronts this week. Bit of a shock to see how much the Pirellis have shot up beyond Continentals in the last year They were both within a few quid of £250 each when I changed just over a year ago, now £265 plays about £330.
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well now you are talking..... i'm not actually sure if they are 92y or 96y!! I will check tomorrow and re-post. But it looks to me like mango's have put these bridgestone's on before they sold it to me.

so your saying if they are 92y they are the wrong tyre? Are roads are shocking at times...i even think some of the m6 motorway is bad. makes me furious with the amount of tax we pay.

When i come to replace them i would like a harder compound tyre....just to get a few more miles out of them.
Pirellis are very good (quite sticky) as you say but don't last as long and come at a premium.

My wheels are the Ti's (19inch). look fabulous but the rubber is expensive. haha

ps- just checked.....they are 92Y!!!!!!! the wrong ones!!! And all 4 are 92Y. Is this a speed rating? what impact will this have?
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ps- just checked.....they are 92Y!!!!!!! the wrong ones!!! And all 4 are 92Y. Is this a speed rating? what impact will this have?
It is a load rating.
Mangos have sold the car with under-spec'd tyres on. Not for the first time either...!
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Oh god, thats somethin else they've messed up!! And they go on about having a good customer relationship!!!!

So i take it this has happened to you? If i can prove to them that they are under spec'd can i get them to change them free of charge? I bought an extra warranty package off them so not sure if this would help.
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I'd say you have a case. Look on the back page of your owner's handbook. It clearly states the correct tyre and load rating for 19" rims (along with the other sizes and winter tyres).

It didn't happen to me as I bought new but they constantly reassured me the tyre wear/alignment was sorted when it really wasn't.
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Thanks for that gtvjim. Well they ain't gonna see me coming on friday thats for sure. Sick of dealers trying to pull the wool over your eyes!

I will hopefully get this sorted and i don't think i'll go back to Mango's after this. I've lost all faith in them.

I'm just so thankful that i've joined a great forum like this where you get great advice off alfa owners!

(just checked the handbook.....your right....it clearly states that all Ti spec versions are 96Y!!)
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I'd suggest they knowingly sold the car on incorrect (unsafe/unapproved) rated tyres and it is not unreasonable to expect them to correct that. Let us know how you get on. Good luck.
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Yep, i fully agree! I will keep you posted on this! thanks for all the help too!
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Insist on a quality make of tyre too...
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When having the four wheel alignment done ensure the front toe is set to 0 - tell the company and tell them again on the day what you want and that you want it spot on - not near enough. Quite a few companies state that their equipment will have the latest spec and they set it to that. Do not take that at face value; lots of companies do not have the latest specifications (no matter what they say) and also if they are lazy the tolerances can leave the toe almost at the original settings with original levels of wear, there is no reason on good equipment why it isn't spot on and the specifications in the machine can be manually over-ridden.
If you are questioned be polite but firm and insist on seeing the print out. If you have looked at the other thread you know what a print out looks like many companies (not all) have staff who do alignment by numbers and having read the threads you already know more about your 159 geometry settings than they do. Unless, of course, you take it to an Alfa specialist.
Almost no matter what the front toe is, provided it is equal and suspension bushes etc. are in good condition, the pull may be caused by the rear toe being out of adjustment meaning the "thrust angle" is not along the centre of the car.
Of course there is no point getting alignment done if any of the suspension components are worn and that could be a reason for the pulling. Also if Mangoletsi are about to play with front suspension components (I don't know what has to come off to allow drive shaft removal) then wait for that to be done before having the alignment checked and adjusted.

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If they have sold it to you with the wrong tyres then it isn't 'fit for purpose' so tell them that. My car was always serviced at Mangos (before my ownership) and when I took it to my local Alfa specialist they found engine mount bolts missing. i wouldn't trust a main dealer under any circumstances
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Engine mounting bolts missing also happened to me and it was one of the big and very highly recommended independents. Anyone can make a mistake - it's how they then deal with it that matters.
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Hi all. I have a 58 plate 159 Ti which i love but has a few issues.

Firstly, on the way home after i bought the car i noticed the tracking was out. It pulled to the left slightly. I took it back to Mangoletsi's and they did admit that it was out and re-aligned it.......until i drove it home again and it was STILL pulling to the left!!!!
The pulling could be due to the tire's ply-steer, if you are using non-directional tires in the front, try swapping the front wheels (without removing the tires) between left and right.

The pull could also be due to road crowning.
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When my 159 was new (18" Pirellis) it pulled quite noticeably to the left. Kept doing it after a couple of realignments at the dealers.

After a bit less than a year I decided to swop the tyres front to back in order to even out the wear. Didn't get it realigned but bingo - pull to the left disappeared. One of the front tyres must have been a tiny bit bigger than the other.
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