2.2 JTS hesitation - now with new IMPORTANT information & escalation details

[arda371]

Ok guys my vocabluary in english is not so great... Can someone tell me what this hesitation problem is? i read for six pages of this thread but could not understand it..

Anyone care to explain it? would be greatly appreciated.

[tony44]

Originally Posted by arda371

Ok guys my vocabluary in english is not so great... Can someone tell me what this hesitation problem is? i read for six pages of this thread but could not understand it..

Anyone care to explain it? would be greatly appreciated.

It is as if the car is going to stall when pulling away, so you have to give the car higher revs and in doing that you take off as if in a race.


I noticed that you have a 159 JTD the problem is only with the 2.2JTS petrol engines.

[arda371]

ahhh i see... well thats not very good but still its not a major problem i guess..
i do have a 1.9 jtdm and thinking of a 1.9jts and perhaps a 2.2 spyder u never know...

so i was wondering if it would be bad to get a 2008 2.2 spyder if it has this issue...

[caradoc]

Originally Posted by arda371

ahhh i see... well thats not very good but still its not a major problem i guess..
i do have a 1.9 jtdm and thinking of a 1.9jts and perhaps a 2.2 spyder u never know...

so i was wondering if it would be bad to get a 2008 2.2 spyder if it has this issue...

It does have this issue and it would be nice to have a fix from Alfa but I doubt it will happen. That said, the car is still more than driveable and you soon get used to it.

[metalgod23]

Yes its driveable... but I am not willing to accept the way it drives. A car that looks as good should drive even better. Everytime I drive throught the flatspot, I cant help but be disappointed! There better be a fix on the way as I am not prepared to let this issue go.....

[Walfa]

excuse me, is it only happened on MT, or also SS?

[Ran Sid]

Originally Posted by metalgod23

Yes its driveable... but I am not willing to accept the way it drives. A car that looks as good should drive even better. Everytime I drive throught the flatspot, I cant help but be disappointed! There better be a fix on the way as I am not prepared to let this issue go.....

Agreed. I've been pushing this with Alfa since I started this thread, and am cognisant of the opinions that it won't be fixed. I too am not prepared to let this go, my last three cars have been Alfas, if it is not fixed within six months (I plan keeping the car two years) the 159 will be on it's way and my business will be taken elsewhere in future.

[JStar73]

I'm glad to have read all these posts on this issue - having only got my Brera a week ago I just thought the car had a really short 1st gear (forgive me for sounding a bit dumb, but I'm not massively technically minded..) when obviously I am hitting the flatspot. I'm still also driving my old BMW323i coupe which is a totally different beast, 2.5 litre 6 pot and I have to say I am finding the Brera a bit disappointing at lower revs - almost makes me feel like I should have stayed with what I had. However, BMW's are bleedin' everywhere and the Brera is a fine looking piece of work so anything that will solve this like the AD remap that has been mentioned sounds like a good idea, but will this invalidate warranty? Glad to be here among so many like minded souls...

[caradoc]

Originally Posted by JStar73

I'm glad to have read all these posts on this issue - having only got my Brera a week ago I just thought the car had a really short 1st gear (forgive me for sounding a bit dumb, but I'm not massively technically minded..) when obviously I am hitting the flatspot. I'm still also driving my old BMW323i coupe which is a totally different beast, 2.5 litre 6 pot and I have to say I am finding the Brera a bit disappointing at lower revs - almost makes me feel like I should have stayed with what I had. However, BMW's are bleedin' everywhere and the Brera is a fine looking piece of work so anything that will solve this like the AD remap that has been mentioned sounds like a good idea, but will this invalidate warranty? Glad to be here among so many like minded souls...

Give the engine some miles to loosen up. The 2.2 is a very good engine and just gets better and better the more miles you pile on.

[Squadrone Rosso]

Originally Posted by caradoc

Give the engine some miles to loosen up. The 2.2 is a very good engine and just gets better and better the more miles you pile on.

What he says

[slaterk]

I just got mine and yes, the flat spot is definitely there but in the week I've been driving I just learnt to drive around it, no big deal really.

[Jcochrane81]

It doesn't bother me that much but my missus hates it, plus she's gonna burn out my bloody clutch with the revs she gives it

[tony44]

Had a call last night from a company checking up on my dealings with Alfa customer service.

Unfortunately for Alfa I wasn't able to say nice things about them or give them high scoring marks as I'm still waiting for a fix to the hesitation problem and feel that I've just been fobbed off by Alfa.

[Walfa]

I hope I am not wrong. I hardly feel the hestitation from my 08 159SWti. is problem solved in 08 model?

[Echion]

Originally Posted by Walfa

I hope I am not wrong. I hardly feel the hestitation from my 08 159SWti. is problem solved in 08 model?

I had the exact same thoughts. At least it isn't really notable on my '08 Ti

[shinnoske]

i got mine last night! (159 SW TI also.)
great car!
i don't think there is any hesitation in mine either.

[Nev]

Don't understand how newer cars don't
have the problem at the same time as
Alfa says there is no fix and the hesitation is normal.

Makes no sense.

[Walfa]

Originally Posted by shinnoske

i got mine last night! (159 SW TI also.)
great car!
i don't think there is any hesitation in mine either.

Hi shinnoske, seems like we are coming from the same country. what is the color of your Ti? mine is white!

pls visit our forum here: ???????? ~ Alfistizone

P.S. sorry if I violate the rule of alfaowner.com by posting other forum link here

[loveivs]

Originally Posted by caradoc

Give the engine some miles to loosen up. The 2.2 is a very good engine and just gets better and better the more miles you pile on.

That is what my local alfa service manager said

I m still in the process finding out if this statement is true or false,

[Commanderfish]

Originally Posted by loveivs

That is what my local alfa service manager said

I m still in the process finding out if this statement is true or false,

It's very very true. We currently have 2 x 2.2 JTS engines, one which has done almost 10,000 miles and one which has done 500 miles. The one with 50o miles on it seems slow and heavy. The one with 10,000 miles on it feels like the engine has an extra 30 - 40 Bhp and the car feels light and fast.

It's great!

PS Don't even think about a remap until you've done at least 6000 miles... actually I'd say 10,000 miles.

[caradoc]

Originally Posted by Commanderfish

It's very very true. We currently have 2 x 2.2 JTS engines, one which has done almost 10,000 miles and one which has done 500 miles. The one with 50o miles on it seems slow and heavy. The one with 10,000 miles on it feels like the engine has an extra 30 - 40 Bhp and the car feels light and fast.

It's great!

PS Don't even think about a remap until you've done at least 6000 miles... actually I'd say 10,000 miles.

Second that - it's absolutely right, Alfa's best kept secret!

i love my 159 2-2 jts
its all a matter of adjusting and then its fun fun fun.

i live in australia.
where the hell do i get a remap from.
anyway, i love the 2.2 jts. it did take a little getting used too thou.

i agree.

Originally Posted by NordicI55

In any car I drive I'd bring the revs up a little before i drop the clutch. No trouble getting away quickly in 159 right through rev band and it hasnt be remapped. When I got the car first I found it "lept" forward with the same trottle input as my old 155 I put this down to the cable-less trottle having a differant "feel" and sure enough I can now drive the car without any issues. I have to say I think the 2.2JTS engine is superb, its has used no oil todate, revs freely and is getting better and better in that respect and has huge in gear power from 2nd to 3rd.

i agree...