2.2 JTS hesitation - now with new IMPORTANT information & escalation details

[coolsociety]

Originally Posted by Nev

AD remap basically pays for itself with improved fuel economy anyway. (Eventually)

Nev, I see you now have the 1750 Tbi, what's your opinion of it? I'm interested to know how it compares with the 2.2 and possibly the 3.2

Is there a thread anywhere? Have searched in vain...

(sorry to hijack folks)

[Nev]

Originally Posted by coolsociety

Nev, I see you now have the 1750 Tbi, what's your opinion of it? I'm interested to know how it compares with the 2.2 and possibly the 3.2

Is there a thread anywhere? Have searched in vain...

(sorry to hijack folks)

It's the future:

I think it hits the sweetspot between power/performance vs (engine)weight vs economy.

It'll need to be upped from 200BHP to the 235BHP version to compare with the V6 though.

[paulmacs]

Just got my 2.2JTS and it has the problem - gonna have to go to Mangos for a MOD4!

[AlfaStealth]

Originally Posted by paulmacs

Just got my 2.2JTS and it has the problem - gonna have to go to Mangos for a MOD4!

You won't be sorry

[Nev]

Originally Posted by paulmacs

Just got my 2.2JTS and it has the problem - gonna have to go to Mangos for a MOD4!

Why not just give Autodelta a bell, if you're in London?

[paulmacs]

Originally Posted by Nev

Why not just give Autodelta a bell, if you're in London?

is it the same thing? remap and induction?

Quite fancied the drive down from Mangos as well

[Nev]

Not sure about induction. I only had a replacement
filter + remap because "modification" = "no insurance here".

[Mangoletsi]

Any Alfa owners driving 2.2JTS or 3.2V6 petrol engine vehicles please read below and ring our Service Dept. to book in on 01565 722899 or send me a PM. The upgrade is carried out while you wait and takes about 1 hour. Countless happy customers have travelled to Mangoletsi in Cheshire from Scotland, Ireland, Wales and all over the UK to have this modification fitted to their Alfa Romeo.

Mangoletsi Performance Upgrade, Mod 4. Mangoletsi Designed Air induction kit with and Mangoletsi developed fuel pressure modification which adjusts the parameters at the injectors, increasing atomisation and improving burn, efficiency and power output. Fitted to Alfa 159, Brera & Spider 2.2JTS and 3.2V6 petrol engines which now makes both these engines perform amazingly. The throttle response is also improved but the best bit that makes every Alfa owner smile is the noise output when pushed hard through the revs is a fantastic sensational sound that has been developed specifically to make these petrol engines sound like a Ferrari or a Maserati. This mod also eliminates any flat spot or engine hesitation you may currently have at low revs and early gear changes. The low range driveability is vastly improved, the engine is much smoother and you end up with a more enjoyable Alfa Romeo driving experience.
AO Price £399 plus vat

Regards
Mangoletsi

[gtvscott]

Originally Posted by Mangoletsi

Any Alfa owners driving 2.2JTS or 3.2V6 petrol engine vehicles please read below and ring our Service Dept. to book in on 01565 722899 or send me a PM. The upgrade is carried out while you wait and takes about 1 hour. Countless happy customers have travelled to Mangoletsi in Cheshire from Scotland, Ireland, Wales and all over the UK to have this modification fitted to their Alfa Romeo.

Mangoletsi Performance Upgrade, Mod 4. Mangoletsi Designed Air induction kit with and Mangoletsi developed fuel pressure modification which adjusts the parameters at the injectors, increasing atomisation and improving burn, efficiency and power output. Fitted to Alfa 159, Brera & Spider 2.2JTS and 3.2V6 petrol engines which now makes both these engines perform amazingly. The throttle response is also improved but the best bit that makes every Alfa owner smile is the noise output when pushed hard through the revs is a fantastic sensational sound that has been developed specifically to make these petrol engines sound like a Ferrari or a Maserati. This mod also eliminates any flat spot or engine hesitation you may currently have at low revs and early gear changes. The low range driveability is vastly improved, the engine is much smoother and you end up with a more enjoyable Alfa Romeo driving experience.
AO Price £399 plus vat

Regards
Mangoletsi

Can you not send this to the bloody Alfa technical department and customer services??

Also,

Where do you think I would stand if I wanted it done to a lease car? if I have to keep the car the least I can expect is for it to perform correctly!!!!

[jsfletcher159]

Originally Posted by gtvscott

Can you not send this to the bloody Alfa technical department and customer services??

Too right!

I wrote a letter of complaint about the hesitation issue and the fact I'd had Mod 4 carried out and I had a bit of a snotty letter off ARUK stating that the modification by Mangoletsi was undertaken by a company that weren't an official partner.

What the hell are they then?

Jokers (ARUK I mean)!!

[Nev]

Originally Posted by jsfletcher159

Too right!

I wrote a letter of complaint about the hesitation issue and the fact I'd had Mod 4 carried out ....

Errr, isn't that just giving them a club to hit you with if
anything goes wrong with the car? (Not that it will...)

[gtvscott]

Originally Posted by jsfletcher159

Too right!

I wrote a letter of complaint about the hesitation issue and the fact I'd had Mod 4 carried out and I had a bit of a snotty letter off ARUK stating that the modification by Mangoletsi was undertaken by a company that weren't an official partner.

What the hell are they then?

Jokers (ARUK I mean)!!

Well, have complained yet again to the lease company, I really am getting sick of putting up and shutting up, I am also suffering with problems to my cervical vertebrae and the constant lurching caused by the flat spot are literally doing my head in.
I have also told them that as there is a known fix by an Alfa main dealer that Alfa's "its a characteristic" excuse is total ********!!!

Fiat Contracts are taking up the case for me, have told them if it isn't fixed then the least they can do is offer me a different model instead of the Spider for the rest of my contract.

[jsfletcher159]

Originally Posted by Nev

Errr, isn't that just giving them a club to hit you with if
anything goes wrong with the car? (Not that it will...)

Interesting you should say that as my 159 threw the power steering belt last week and all was replaced buck shee (thanks Budgen) so it looks like there is some admittance of a fault!

Poor Mangoletsi; how have they remained so loyal?

It seems they are nearly single handedly keeping ARUK's reputation intact.

[leander]

BBC News has just reported than Toyota are now being pilloried in the US because of problems with the Corolla's steering. According to the BBC, Toyota have received 85 complaints in the whole of the US market, yet this makes prime time news in the UK.

In proportion I wonder how many of the UK's 2.2 Brera/159's are blighted by the hesitation problem. XorY 2.2 JTS/UK in relation to 85 Corolla/US would be a very small number indeed.

I think AR should hang their heads in shame/count their lucky stars that the hesitation problem has barely made an automotive ripple, yet alone trans-continental prime-time news.

Mangos must be laughing their socks off that they can charge £400-500 for a locally derived cure that AR neither respect nor recognise.

[bryneth]

First post - Joined club out of frustration and concern over 159 2.2 Ti

I've had Alfas all my adult life, 145,156 and now 159 2.2 Ti wish I'd never bothered.

As you all know the hesitation problem makes driving this car awful even dangerous at low speeds, my wife is refusing to drive the car because of this problem.

In light of recent increased awareness and sensitivity to problems with cars as mentioned in the previous posts, now might be the time for some organized action, Alfa may well be feeling nervous and may actually do something to avoid Toyota's fate.

A petition perhaps, presented to the press/vehicle safety authorities and ARUK? - I know so much has already been tried, but hey the worlds a bit different post Toyota recall.

Could the moderators of this club gather owner signatures electronically via the user profiles?
maybe a email to all members.

BTW - Upon discovering Mangoletsi's Mod 4, I am taking that trip to Cheshire for the sake of my sanity and families safety, can't even bring myself to sell the car my conscious would struggle with selling a dangerous car on.

[Squadrone Rosso]

Been there and done all that. Even been in AutoExpress. Alfa treat you with total contempt

My advice, just get a map or mod done and enjoy your car. Your smiles per mile will soon overshadow you c£400 outlay

It's still wrong though and I agree in standard for it's dangerous & unpredictable

[bryneth]

fair play for trying...

Ive done a bit of research regarding resolutions.. reading the forums of course plus spoken with Autodelta - but they don't have a map for the 2008 2.2 so there out, Angel tune and Red Line both have different preferences.

My local dealer currently checking if air filter + remap will change the warranty status.

Anyone aware of any advantage of the Mangoletsi Mod 4 over the remap or remap + piggyback ecu options? there all around the same price range £350 -£450

[saggitare]

Hi

I have just read the last page of this thread as I am trying to spearhead a combined complaint effort to ARUK regarding tyre wear on breras and 159's. perhaps we need to combine our efforts with some legal backing and get ARUK as much bad publicity as possible. Their contempt for all issues regarding there cars is frankly shocking.

[bryneth]

saggitare.... you have my support.

My local dealer takes the view that as the Mango mod is not Alfa approved it invalidates the engine and gearbox warranty... also goes for any remapping.

In the case of a claim unless the dealer is really out to get you, why would they investigate the latest remap date of ecu - unless of course its part of the documentation requirement by Alfa for any engine warranty claim.

Anyone have any experience of mod + claim?

[Squadrone Rosso]

Mangos will underwrite their work so unless they go bust I'd not worry. The gains are minimal so additional stress on components is negligable.

[bryneth]

Thanks Rosso... the Cheshire trip is back on!

btw - logged complaint with ARUK for all the good it will do.

[jsfletcher159]

Originally Posted by bryneth

Thanks Rosso... the Cheshire trip is back on!

btw - logged complaint with ARUK for all the good it will do.

Just do it!

I haven't got the intake mod though; just an Autodelta filter.

The improvement is significant.

I can also confirm that logging a complaint with ARUK achieves sweet fa.

[MK92242]

Hello,

is it possible to order the Mangoletsi or Autodelta Mod and to install it DIY then?
Or do you know some other piggyback devices?

Because I`m from Germany and so I have only the choice between a suspicious piggyback Box and normal OBD tuning.


Thx, Matthias

[Squadrone Rosso]

Originally Posted by MK92242

Hello,

is it possible to order the Mangoletsi or Autodelta Mod and to install it DIY then?
Or do you know some other piggyback devices?

Because I`m from Germany and so I have only the choice between a suspicious piggyback Box and normal OBD tuning.


Thx, Matthias

Send a PM to Mangoletsi or JohnFerrari

[jsfletcher159]

Originally Posted by Squadrone Rosso

Send a PM to Mangoletsi or JohnFerrari

Good suggestion but I can't imagine John "letting the cat out of the bag" on his secret!