2.2 JTS hesitation - now with new IMPORTANT information & escalation details

[steffoo]

Don´t you think it would be better to go to some motor Magazine/TV-programme with big impact, and ask them to write about this?

[Martin G]

Its quite poor really, Im not affected but reading this you have my sympathy. Compared to say BM, AR have a fraction of the units on the roads so for me there is no excuse not to recall and remap. As stated BM would probably pull thier cars in and sort it as the brand cant be having that kind of press.

What AR seems to forget (AR MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS) is that they need bad press even less so at the moment when they are trying to re-launch themselves as premium, to be pro-active is CRITICAL. You wont get a third chance guys.

The 1.9 TDI isnt the easiest to drive either by the way, especially in stop/start traffic beginning to think that it too could do with a tidying up of the curves.

[Nev]

Poll here:
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/engin...ncy-issue.html

[metalgod23]

Originally Posted by Nev

Poll here:
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/engin...ncy-issue.html

Comon chaps.. lets get voting and tackle this problem head on!! No point just whinging and not doing anything about it. From what I can see, almost all 2.2 owners have this problem.

There have been just 2 votes including myself.....

[metalgod23]

Originally Posted by tony44

Unfortunatley, I'm the sort of person who doesn't believe in having to pay for a remap on a £26,000 car just to get it to drive correctly.
I drive around the problem now but it doesn't mean its right.

I'm pretty confident that no other 'premium' brand would supply a car in this state.

We could do with a poll and then point Alfa UK in that direction and see if they can do something.

I completely agree... why should we pay to get this "problem" fixed when we have already paid good money for the car?? Going to write to ARUK shortly.

[tony44]

Originally Posted by Nev

Poll here:
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/engin...ncy-issue.html

Can somebody help out and put this poll at the top of the board so that people know it exists. I would move it myself but don't know how.

[tony44]

Sorted

[Graham_Brera]

I have the hesitation as well, although it doesn't sound as bad as some of you guys. Using V-power fuel helps a lot, but hey, lets get it sorted!!

[metalgod23]

Originally Posted by Graham_Brera

I have the hesitation as well, although it doesn't sound as bad as some of you guys. Using V-power fuel helps a lot, but hey, lets get it sorted!!

I use V power too, but the hesitation is still there. Its more noticeable when you are aware of it, initially I had naturally developed a way of driving around it by working the clutch, but after reading these posts I have realized its not just a figment of my imagination. Its predominant in low revs i.e b/w 1100 and 1300 rpm. Just try driving in 4th gear between these revs (with stereo etc. off so that you can hear the engine clearly), you will hear the engine make a burbling noise as though its being choked!! once it gets past 1300 revs the sound changes instantly and the car shoots forward. As previously mentioned no other premium brand would release a car with so called "characteristics" like this. If only my 2.2 drove as well as it looks. Lets get this sorted once and for all.
If any of you own a 2.2 JTS and havent voted,,, get voting please..........

[Ran Sid]

I've sent a link to this thread to ARUK, a week has passed, no reply.

[tony44]

Originally Posted by Ran Sid

I've sent a link to this thread to ARUK, a week has passed, no reply.

Maybe we should also send a link to Auto Express etc.

[Nev]

Recorded delivery letter is normally
my weapon of choice for kicking
up a stink.

[Fraser]

Good luck with this guys. Hope you get a result.

[steffoo]

It seems like the AutoDelta remap costs round 400 pounds + VAT.

Damn, I had decided on a GT, since the Brera feels so weak in the lower gears, but this may make me change my mind!

Do I understand correctly: The AD remap can make a 2,2 Brera have a more "Alfa Romeo-like" power in the 1st and 2nd gear? To me the Brera feels more like driving my old Peugeot 307 than my 156 or GTV, when accelerating.

[metalgod23]

Just wrote a long email to ARUK regrding the hesitation issue. Lets see what they say. Let us all write to ARUK. We need to highlight this issue and get it sorted without having to resort to extreme measures.

Any others who wrote to ARUK, received any response??

[tony44]

I sent an email but haven't heard anything.

[Hunter]

I posted this in Nev's 2.2 Poll but relevant here also I think:-

"Really wish you all good luck. Seriously.

However I very much doubt that AR Spa or ARUK will actually DO anything. Having had 1st hand recent experience with them, I doubt anything short of legals will make them lift their little fingers over anything (in their minds) so trivial and costly (group recall anyone??!!).

My only word of caution to those getting an engine remap is that if/when ARUK realise it's mapped and your car has warranty issues down the line (gearbox, brakes etc) as my remapped 159 did, they'll try EVERYTHING to wriggle out of validating any warranty.

An engine remap will help though So I'm told..... *halo*

I drove a 2.2 and felt the same hesitation you all describe so I know how common this really is and what a bloody annoyance it is.


BTW Our Merc C class 200kompressor loaner ALSO has the SAME issues Kangaroo or wheel spin or bogging down all the way..."

[Ran Sid]

Have sent emails to my local AR dealer, ARUK and Auto Express consumer ed. Dealer telephoned with the "characteristic" line, no response from others.

[metalgod23]

Originally Posted by Ran Sid

Have sent emails to my local AR dealer, ARUK and Auto Express consumer ed. Dealer telephoned with the "characteristic" line, no response from others.

No reply from AR yet. I don't see how a dealer can sort this out unless AR accept there is a problem!! It is indeed disappointing that many have written to AR and there has been no sensible response. Of all the people polled, everyone has the hesitation problem. Am confident, there are many other owners outside this forum who have this issue and have not reported it. Should we all consider some joint action eg. every single one contact a motor magazine if we get no reply quckly from AR?? With the car lurching and sometimes stalling from stand still, it is more likely to cause an accident!!

[tony44]

Originally Posted by metalgod23

No reply from AR yet. I don't see how a dealer can sort this out unless AR accept there is a problem!! It is indeed disappointing that many have written to AR and there has been no sensible response. Of all the people polled, everyone has the hesitation problem. Am confident, there are many other owners outside this forum who have this issue and have not reported it. Should we all consider some joint action eg. every single one contact a motor magazine if we get no reply quckly from AR?? With the car lurching and sometimes stalling from stand still, it is more likely to cause an accident!!

I've not heard anything either.

[NordicI55]

Own a 07 2.2JTS registered in May with 7.5km up on it no hesitation from trottle that i have noticed, power delivery is usually very smooth.

[metalgod23]

Originally Posted by NordicI55

Own a 07 2.2JTS registered in May with 7.5km up on it no hesitation from trottle that i have noticed, power delivery is usually very smooth.

Have you tried accelerating quickly form stand still? I and others have noticed a hesitation/power lag between 1000 and 1300 rpm roughly..... the power delivery is smooth above these revs.
Has it ever been remapped?

[Ken 1]

Does any one have any expierience on what effect the Auto Delta remap has on max power, and fuel consumption.
Ken 1

[tony44]

Originally Posted by Ken 1

Does any one have any expierience on what effect the Auto Delta remap has on max power, and fuel consumption.
Ken 1

Nev's the man to answer your question

[Nev]

Originally Posted by tony44

Nev's the man to answer your question

Slightly better consumption.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...jts-remap.html (159 2.2 JTS Remap)



Main improvement is around town driving
though I couldn't say I really notice any
more power in day to day driving.
Upped rev limiter in 1st is fun and the
car is on a whole slightly more frisky when leaving
the starting gate toll booth.
There seems to be less need to drop out of 6th
on the autoroutes too.



To be honest I only really got my head around the
differences after loosing the map and then getting
it back again.