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I started up the engine yesterday morning, was about -3, and got the ABS failure warning. Then after the car heated up, it went off. I presume the sensor could have been frozen or something? hasnt come on since..
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Might be worth checking the battery. Kept getting random vcd failure and indicator light failure warnings that have not appeared since I replaced the battery.
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I have just bought the Alfa 147 and on a rainy day while slowly raiding I just had the VDC System Failure info. Someone here have mention replacing a battery.
What battery and where it is ?
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sorry for noob question (I guess all here knows where and whatfor is that battery).
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Ive recently purchased a 51 plate 2.0 lusso 147 only four days ago and the ABS/VDC failure has appeared. This fault has come on once whilst driving and a second time whilst starting up. Can anybody inform me of whether they have had a similar problem and how its fixed and more importantly how much the dealers charge to fix the problem

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Woah don't go to the dealership, they charge 25.00 just for saying "hmmmm.....".

Whereabouts are you? I know a simple garage that specialises in Alfa/Fiat/Lancia, and they are fanatic about Italian cars. They are ridiculously reasonable, and may be worth the trip even if you don't live nearby. Failing that, they ought to be able to suggest somewhere nearer to you as they are very heavily involved with Alfas, restoring and showing.

Check out www.bearingsaf.co.uk. If you ring ask for Guv, say that Gina recommended you and he'll be able to help you.

As for the fault, it seems that it can have one of many causes. It can be brake pad sensors, or wires in the steering column being pulled too tight - or just the fact that 147's electrics are notoriously naughty. I've gone back to 156s now. A big diesel burner sporting new alloys that Hubby bought me for my birthday.

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The VDC beep and warning light hit me about three days agon in -5 weather. Since then it has been on and off again (mainly on) for a whole week.

Occassionally it catches itself out and will fade away and not come back for a long journey. Sometimes it will go off quickly, then beep several times as it swtiches itself on and off over short journeys.

Re-starting, working the brakes harder, does not do anything.

It does not feel much different on the road-but maybe in the back of my head the car feels less secure...not sure. Having a warning light on the car does nothing for driving pleasure.

I was thinking of having the system checked-but will wait out the cold weather after reading the forum.

One aside- re snow driving- the 159 is pretty useless. Back end out at 10 mile an hour on moderate bends.

My old Saab 93-was THE car to have in the snow. It outshines anything I have ever driving before-that was not 4x4.

But the Saab was not Italian. And my Italian car likes the sun....so I really can't complain.

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If the SAAB 9-3 was good in the snow, then so must the Vauxhall/Opel Vectra be-they have the same chassis underneath.
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Happened to me too

My ABS/VDC lights came on this morning after moving the car off the drive. Will probably check the battery, as suspect it's the original which is nearly 7 years old now and the engine seemed to take a little longer to start than in previous cold snaps. Ironic though, my mpg improved quite a bit, and it was a bit more entertaining to drive! I might just unplug it all and have done with it!!!
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Yeah, definately recommend replacing the battery if its still the original, has made a big difference in how the car 'feels' and always starts first turn of the key, even in temperatures as low as -18.6 :

Just up the road from me:

UTV News - NI records all time low temperature
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Yeah, definately recommend replacing the battery if its still the original, has made a big difference in how the car 'feels' and always starts first turn of the key, even in temperatures as low as -18.6 :

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I have to admit though that with the selespeed it takes a wee min or too to get into Reverse (I found that by going into 1st, then 2nd (whilst stationary) then trying reverse works!) and is a little jumpy on the throttle until it warms up a bit but after that drives perfectly. Drivers side windscreen washer (but not passenger side) still worked at -12 degrees during today too which is surprising, got about 50% screenwash in there!

Back on subject of the OP, I have also had ABS and VDC failure several times during this really cold snap, especially if I have been sitting in traffic and my foot has been on the brake for a while. Always clears itself no problem though, I guess its just the extreme cold and/or build up of snow/slushy crap round the wheel arches that cause it so I'm not too concerned!
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As foretold, it has cleared itself up,all lights off and car running fine again. A bit highly strung these Italians, almost as high maintenance as my wife!!!
Beauty of it all is that I have found what I suspect had caused the problem in the first place, handbrake cable is fubar on one side causing rear wheel to slide on the ice and confuse the ECU. Thirty quid for the pair and should all be good. Happy days.
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My Alfa had developed a very noticeable tracking issue-with the steering wheel pointing well of centre.

I took it to my local Alfa Dealership-where they do 4 wheel re-allignment for 90. I was cautious about giving them work-mainly because its been my experience that dealers will try ANYTHING to charge you excessive money when your car is with them.

I went to pick her up at the end of the day as was agreed. At 17.00-the car was "still in the garage, the mechanics have discovered a serious problem". I looked on with sheer amusement -until they told me that apparently the steering rack had popped out of its coupling. I suddenly realised that I had noticed that on full lock from cold, their was a loud clacking coming from the front wheels on full lock when reversing. But I had it in my mind that it was a cv joint.

To give them there due-they put the coupling back together -a lengthy job as thye had to struggle to get access- and sorted out the wheel alignment-all for the agreed price of 90.00 they even washed and polished it for me.

The steering is transformed, no more wandering-and the handling is noticeably better. So its something that needed doing. I realise that with the Alfa set-up, the wheel alignment will need to be done every year.

But best of all - the VDC lights have gone off.

So all in all-hats of to my local dealership-they did well this time around!

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My Alfa had developed a very noticeable tracking issue-with the steering wheel pointing well of centre.

I took it to my local Alfa Dealership-where they do 4 wheel re-allignment for 90. I was cautious about giving them work-mainly because its been my experience that dealers will try ANYTHING to charge you excessive money when your car is with them.

I went to pick her up at the end of the day as was agreed. At 17.00-the car was "still in the garage, the mechanics have discovered a serious problem". I looked on with sheer amusement -until they told me that apparently the steering rack had popped out of its coupling. I suddenly realised that I had noticed that on full lock from cold, their was a loud clacking coming from the front wheels on full lock when reversing. But I had it in my mind that it was a cv joint.

To give them there due-they put the coupling back together -a lengthy job as thye had to struggle to get access- and sorted out the wheel alignment-all for the agreed price of 90.00 they even washed and polished it for me.

The steering is transformed, no more wandering-and the handling is noticeably better. So its something that needed doing. I realise that with the Alfa set-up, the wheel alignment will need to be done every year.

But best of all - the VDC lights have gone off.

So all in all-hats of to my local dealership-they did well this time around!

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Hi everyone i have been reading all about the ABS & VDC Failure i have same problem but cannot really get my head round this.
i never had this problem till i took my car in to get new tyres fitted i left the garage and got down the road and this message appears on my dash ABS & VDC Failure drove back to the garage and told them and there not interested there telling me all they did was put four new tyres never touched anything else. I told them they must have touched something around the discs or calipers or maybe sensors they have not looked at it and sent me away im not happy can someone please shed some light on this.

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The best thing to do is to get the wheels off and see if anything has been bashed in/wires crimped/damaged.

It is hard to see how putting tyres on could have done anything-was it a reputable firm?....then again there are some real monkeys in the high street now!

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Hi everyone i have been reading all about the ABS & VDC Failure i have same problem but cannot really get my head round this.
i never had this problem till i took my car in to get new tyres fitted i left the garage and got down the road and this message appears on my dash ABS & VDC Failure drove back to the garage and told them and there not interested there telling me all they did was put four new tyres never touched anything else. I told them they must have touched something around the discs or calipers or maybe sensors they have not looked at it and sent me away im not happy can someone please shed some light on this.
Check you have tyres all of the same size. If one is a different diameter it will rotate at a different speed give you an error.
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i never had this problem till i took my car in to get new tyres fitted i left the garage and got down the road and this message appears on my dash ABS & VDC Failure drove back to the garage and told them and there not interested there telling me all they did was put four new tyres never touched anything else. I told them they must have touched something

I think the tyre change may be a red herring.

I had a garage **** an ABS sensor on a car once and the
problem was apparent the moment I started the car, not
a few hundred yards down the road.


Check your battery and the brake/clutch pedal switches first
as these are quite common causes for this issue and easy/cheap
to fix.

Does the cruise control work?
 
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Thanks for your reply
I had the switches replaced on the brake and clutch problem still there.
i went to an alfa dealer and explained what happened after having my tyres fitted and they say that the wheels must of be spun while engine not runnig and would of caused this and all that needs doing is reset with a Diagnostics machine what do you reckon?
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ABS faults are usually self-resetting on Bosch systems - the lights will go out when the fault no longer exists.
If the lights come on straight away, I wonder if someone caught their foot under the brake pedal while exiting the car - maybe the switch just needs resetting (press the pedal down, use a pair of pliers to pull the plunger all the way out, release pedal).

If the lights come on after a number of kilometres of driving, it's likely to be a wheel sensor fault OR simply a tyre the wrong size/wrong air pressure.

Or it could all be a big coincidence and you could have another type of ABS problem like I think I have.

I decided to create a new thread for my summertime ABS/VDC Failure problem http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...ml#post3893325

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The ABS/VDC Failure light comes on when i have driven the car about 100 yards.
But if i start my car up and dont move the failure does not appear i tried this by sitting in my car for 5 mins and no failures and as soon as i move and do the 100 yards it appears wtf.
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All the tyres are the same brand and size all pressures are the same i wonder if something was knocked when they put the new tyres on?
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Change the Brake Pedal Switch. about 15 for the switch but you have to be very flexible to get at it, following that get a good battery - I bought a Varta Silver Dynamic and have not had a hint of the issue since changing both last winter.
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Just my 2p

jack the car up and grab the front wheel and pull and shake it all over the place.

if it moves then probably top arms. When i got my 156 2.4 it came on all the time. Found the top arms were $hagged completely (like there was about 5mm of play on each side when i pulled and pushed the wheel)

replaced the arms and all was well and happy.

Could explain it if you get an intermittent one that comes on after a bit of driving time

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Where can I get a brake pedal switch? I'm in Australia so i'm used to getting parts sent over to me. Does anyone know the part number? I have a 02 JTS 156

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