Originally Posted by Alfa166 2.0
Beast, forget it.
You will never convince anyone who has spent hundreds or thousands of pounds on "performance" upgrades that what the people who sold them say is not gospel truth. Notice how defensive they get. They will say, look at the website to see the proof, or, these people can't be lying to me, they're my friends...of course they're your friends, when your giving them money hand over fist.
They'll say...but the rolling road told me the engine was up 15 bhp. How exactly, does a rolling road measure an ENGINES bhp? It might tell you the bhp at the WHEELS is up or down, but only within an accuracy range of several percent, with further variance through humidity and temperature. Then the sales guys guess, sorry extrapolate, what the trans losses might be and of course throw in a few more bhp to keep you happy..presto...your very own personalised professional engine power readout.
Yes I know, turn up the boost on your diesel turbo and so on...if you don't care about engine lifespan then really, good luck to you, enjoy it.
But this idea that all engines are designed down by the manufacturers for life on some dusty third world farm with abusive owners and potatoe juice fuel is just juvenile sales talk.
Generally remaps on an unmodified NA engine are just easy money for "tuners" who would never attempt real modifications.
Cuuuuummmmmaaaaaaaaannn, give us the handbags then.
You forgot to mention that some people(I wonder who
) spend Tens of Thousands of Euros on Engine Tuning and converting N/A engines to reliable Turbocharged engines too.Not just hundreads or thousands
Funny how even running my 1.6 litre 147 at 15 psi boost(1 bar) and having 300bhp and 245 lb/ft torque at 3300rpm my engine temp runs at 83 degrees,thats 5-7 degrees lower than the standard N/A 1.6 litre 120bhp engines running temp of 88-90 degrees C.
The engine is full race spec with blueprinted block and stage 3 head,fully forged internals,lightened and balanced crank and all that stuff,but yet its fuly reliable.Its converted from twinspark to 4 plugs aswell.Yet my mechanic who does alot of mapping and chipping of cars ECUs,doesnt know how to do or attempt more serious engine tuning work on car engines?Thats what you are saying?
Yet you say remaps for N/A engines done by these people are easy money and only done because they arent able to attempt serious engine tuning.You are way out of line on this and way out of your depth on this one here.
Heres a little reminder for you about certain people/companies who remap N/A engines.Alfa Engines aswell as that.
Autodelta remap N/A Alfa cars but yet they produce/build one of the most powerfull FWD N/A cars in the world too.3.7 litre 156/147 GTAs that are 330+bhp.And they are reliable too.
Nige from Angel Tuning doesnt have experience/history in mapping/tuning and building big power Alfa engines of all types either?.He does and hes very good at it.Ask any of the members here that know him and have experienced his tuning skills on their cars.
My mechanic who preps,builds and races big power turbo cars like 680+bhp Skylines and Evos also maps/chips N/A cars and tunes 350+bhp N/A engines like GTOs and BMWs or 230+bhp Civics/Integras on Dynapack Modules.They are fast,but relaible cars too.
He doesnt know what he is doing either?
Because thats what you have said above in your comment about people who remap/chip N/A cars,that they are afraid to attempt serious engine tuning.You are completely wrong about that.
Get your facts right before you decide to comment on people who remap and chip cars and N/A engines or try to knock them for it.These people know far more about engines and tuning/building them than you seem to think they do.Thanks.