...' Believe me you will get zero warning when you do lose control. I thought the same as you last year until the gentlest of turns on a snowy country road had the car going sideways in the blink of an eye. No steering, no brakes, just momentum, a big grass verge and - thankfully - only a broken bumper mount'.....
I'd like to thank the original contributor of this thread, and to take the opportunity to reinforce what the police, etc, say about driving only essential journeys during winter-time. Yet make good from bad by reinforcing it by recounting a real, but tragic RTA. My 156 was lost to a winter-time RTA on a main A road & my Daughter made paraplegic. All that's been said, above, explains why she describes a bang and steering wheel snatched anti-clockwise from her hands when the 156 passed over the transition between a dry-matte and shiny/ icy roadsurface. She had about 2 seconds warning of that transition. That lack of control brought the back-end around, with the resulting spin enhanced by the ice. I've viewed the police photos from the scene, and am appalled that we can put people on the moon, yet can't control ice on the roads
If this type of ABS reaction is something more likely with the 156, and I've now had my suspicions aroused even further, then a more qualified view should be sought. I hasten to add that I'm now working on my next Alfa...a 156.
ExBrick, you are absolutely correct......there's 'zero' warning and, if the momentum and vector forces are wrong, the only influence upon the amount of resulting damage is the speed you were doing when the car made contact with the ice.
I've done a significant amount of research & campaigning (MP, Dept f Transport, Highways' Agency, Driving Standards Agency, Joe Public) and am not shifted from my main conclusion IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ICE WILL BE, AND YOUR JOURNEY IS NOT ESSENTIAL, DON'T MAKE THE JOURNEY.
If there's been a hoarfrost, or snow which has been overdriven, then you'll 'see' the ice on the road. Without that visual prompt, & when the air temperature has been below zero for more than a couple of days, you won't. As council-tax payers, you have all paid your Local Authorities to invest in technologies which allow them to see where road ice is. I'll continue to push for motorists' access to that technology.
Should anyone have interest in my findings, or want to assist my researches , please make contact.