Originally Posted by mave;
What, 153lbft for the Honda vs 138lbft for the twinny?
Remember I was talking about the JTS, which delivers 152lbft @ 3250rpm, rather than all the way at 7500rpm. You would have to be flat out all the time, to only get 1lbft extra!
Yes but the Honda's peek torque is at 7500rpm...
I saw the later comment about it being roughly the same torque at 3000rpm (which against the JTS it isn't), but over the entire rev range, it just felt pretty gutless (to me). The JTS isn't fast but the cam profile is just right imo.
The Civic Type R (I drove a 2003) was even worse, and it felt like I was ringing the neck off a 1.4 Corsa, combined with chronic understeer....I really couldn't see the appeal.
The Accord Type R - (1999 shape) felt a little better though and made quite a reasonable sound.
Confirmed by a friend who owned and ran both the Accord/S2000 - but then he enjoyed revving the nuts off his cars.
I also didn't get a massive surge of power in the Civic or the S2000 once it got onto cam in the higher reaches, so walked away dissapointed. The Accords 2.2 was much better though and an older Prelude (4 wheel steer) thing I drove had a more savage cam setup.
The best handling Honda for me, was the Honda Integra DC2 which really did track well, but again the power delivery just wasn't what I was looking for. Great little tool though
I think there is always going to be a group that loves the VTEC delivery, whilst I prefer the rev/torque combination of the JTS and the savageness of a large V8 unit.
(Possibly also related to my known impatience...why wait for the power, when you can have it straight away?)