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Bought my 156 2.0 Veloce in July 2001. Car ran like a dream until Sept 2003 when it developed strange knocking noises. Dealer has advised a new engine is required due to oil starvation at a cost of 3200. Alfa & the warranty company refuse to pay out as there is no obvious component failure. car has been regularly serviced and maintained and has only done 32K miles.....(never needed any oil between services)

Internet research shows that this is a fairly widespread problem and may point to a problem with the oil pump. The dealer says that they get approx 1 case a week there with similar problem & they tell people to check the oil on a weekly basis!

I am currently "in discussion" with CEO, Fiat UK, over who is going to meet the cost of repair. If anyone else has had a similar problem please get in touch........if not....then BE WARNED!!

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This is such a well known problem, please for everones sake dont let them get away with it
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Herbiedave, who's your dealer. There's one in particular in the Glasgow area who have now replaced 1 inlet manifold plus upper and lower swing arms on my car withour curing any of the problems I have. I will be giving them a v wide berth from now on.
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Sorry to hear about your engine, the same thing happened to my 147 after only 12k miles (Big end bearing failure). Initially Alfa refused to pay, however I wasn't going to back down as I knew I had checked the oil levels regularly (as the T.Spark had a reputation for using oil - because of this I'd also had an oil/filter change by a main dealer at 6k miles).
In the end I paid for an independent inspection of the engine, which whilst upholding the findings of the Alfa dealer, also affirmed my care for the car in accordance with the manufacturer's guidelines.
I sent this to Alfa UK, with a covering letter, and they replaced the engine - it took about a month to resolve though.

I hope you get the desired result

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What is the problem with the oil pump - I haven't heard of that before?

Surely it is mechanical, so if it has failed presumably that can be verified. I'd suggest getting an independent specialist to give you an engineer's report.

If on the other hand there is nothing mechnically wrong, did you actually check the oil weekly?
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Boy, and I thought I was unlucky... Herbiedave I wish you solve the problem soon without spending a pennie..

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Almost identically the same thing has happened to me. No problem in my 156 1999 2.0 TS and then clanking sound fom camshaft area. Took it to the local dealers who's report said and I quote;

" damaged camshaft, pistons hitting head = new engine" cost approx 3,500. No explanation nothing.

I have since taken it to a garage who specialise in camshaft problems. They see a lot of Alfas that have had problems due to oil starvation - seems like it's a problem with the oil pump even though the car is full of oil. Car was serviced 2 weeks before problem.

Thay are attempting to salvage the engine by straighteining the cam and reboring and new oil pump. Should cost about 1,200 instead of 3,500.

This seems to be a problem with Alfas and is mentioned on the Honest John website as a known problem.

I have written to Watchdog and now to Fiat UK, but would be interested in hearing if you have any success.

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Thanks for all the info & support.

If all those people who have had a similar problem, or know people that have, could email me their case reference numbers with Alfa, that may add weight to our argument

happy fighting.....

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:<hr /><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I am currently "in discussion" with CEO, Fiat UK, over who is going to meet the cost of repair. If anyone else has had a similar problem please get in touch........if not....then BE WARNED!!

<hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I will be amazed if you get anywhere, I never even got a reply from the guy, Glynn Owen UK MD,
Just a sh!tty none reply from some lacky.
I wish you all the luck I really hope you get further than I ever did.

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