QUOTE]Originally posted by Jono:
<strong>Lets be honest though Stori, the Holden Commodore is far from the finest rear wheel
drive on the market.</strong>
Well the Commodore is supposedly a superior performer to US made FWD drive cars.
If you think that the Commodore handles badly, then can we even imagine how badly US made
cars must be. http://www.rearwheeldrive.org/rwd/rwdwhy.html
<strong>We need something that can compete with BMW and Mercedes.</strong>
Well I do not see why.
Holden currently are expanding and growing their business.
(NB Even Ford US is starting to look at Ford Australia for possible product
and Mitusbishi Australia sell to US as well)
Holden are exporting more. Currently Middle east and Asia (as Chevrolet) but soon to US (Pontiac GTO ) and
the UK ( Vauxhaul Monaro).
They are making a profit unlike FIAT which is currently is so incompetent that even the
Italians are refusing to buy their cars.
Also Holden are a major exporter of 4 cylinder engines and the new V6 will also help.
Exporting will improve Holdens quality much faster than any other thing they can do.
<strong>Aren't Alfa using the new GM Premium platform, which AFAIK has nothing to do with
Is the premuim platform RWD?
<strong>If Alfa start producing cars with the dynamics of a Commodore then the Alfa brand is in more serious trouble than we all think.</strong>
You are right Alfa would definitely be in trouble as they manufacture niche cars.(Hopefully they will not end up like BMW)
However although Holden may not have the overall dynamics of an Alfa,
unless you stick to very twist roads (hard to find in Australia), all you will see
of a Commodore SS or better, is its behind, as it leaves you in it's dust or tyre smoke.
Holden dynamics have been improving and will continue to do so.
<strong>The latest Toyota Camry is quite possibly the ugliest sedan on the market right now...
even if it does have Japan-sourced engines. Amazes how Toyota produce something that looks/
handles as bad as this when it has to compete with the likes of the Mazda 6 and Ford Mondeo
...both VASTLY superior cars IMHO. I guess it's your mid-range bland-mobile designed for
fleet sales and thats about it.</strong>
Toyota have traditionally made cars which handle like soggy bread.
<strong>It's also interesting how much the US and Australian car markets have in common.
Generally speaking they are made up of large cars. A lot feature 6-cylinder and 8-cylinder
engines. So some kind of rationalisation for those two markets makes sense. Unfortunately
for Holden (and GM), the rest of the world doesn't have a preoccupation with 'bigger is
better'. So I doubt whether these platforms can be assumed to have a lot of benefit in other
Well Holden may make large cars but they put more effort into dynamics than the US.
Holdens will probably never have the dynamics of an Alfa but then the market that buy their
products probably do not want the nervousness of an Alfa.
<strong>I've noticed in NZ how a lot of people are favouring mid-size european cars over bigger
high-end Commodores and Falcons...for example a lot of Passats, Octavias, A4's etc on the
road now. A recent NZ Autocar review of the new Holden Vectra highlights some of my points
...they basically said it's a shame the Commodore doesn't drive as well as the new Vectra (from Opel)! </strong>
Vectra and Mondeo are very expensive cars in Australia.
If I remember rightly ,the Dynamics of the Previous model Vectra was improved here in
Australia and then retrosectively changed on European versions.
<strong>P.S: You can have Russell Crowe..he's a complete idiot and no-one in NZ wants to lay
claim to him anyway!
Well as they say any publicity is good publicity.
The Yanks love Russel Crowe and he promotes Australia.
In reality even thought the Australian car industry is not as good as it could be, the fact
that GM,Ford are starting to realise that they have some Gems here in Australia is good for
It also means more money for car development.
Also Holden amd Alfa Romeo are aiming at diferent markets.
Holden produce family cars and "performance" cars with large engines
that for a GM RWD drive have excellent dynamics and are getting better.
They will never be an Alfa Romeo
However many people cannot afford to own and maintain an Alfa Romeo and here in Australia a Commodore SS or better is an alternative that for many people is a better alternative.
Now if only the Italians can get there act together all will be well in the world