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I'm sure the brand began with 'B'. Quick Google suggests they might be Beru? He did say you can get cheaper ones, but get better life from these. Price included fitting if that helps!


Looking at the receipts, it's had a new oil filter April 2016 (with 8 units of 5w/30) - does this sound like an oil change? Also April 2014... 7 units of oil, and fuel, oil & air filter. I'm guessing the units are litres!


Thanks for the link. I'm not sure on the comparison as the names are not quite the same. The wishbone replacement he quoted 135. Not sure if it is the upper or lower that wants doing mind. 65 for the CV. 178 for what I've written down as 'lower arm ball'. Any further thoughts on how they sound?

Beru are OEM supply for the glow plugs on these engines. They do last well, but not 3-4x longer than a 20-30 set. Bosch are my go-to for the plugs... eBay is full of cheap and effective options too.

the Units I'd imagine are 0.5 Litre increments (possibly even pints)... The engine takes 4.5 litres, but typically you can only get about 4L out on an oil change... 7 pints is 3.9 litres, so that lines up nicely... One thing though, the 5W30 is probably a bit light... 5W40 will give better protection (something like Fuchs GT1 Titan XTL is ideal) - check out what Opie Oils has to offer.

Ball joints aren't serviceable on these arms unfortunately, so if a balljoint is toast, the whole arm needs changing!

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Does the car have an mot? If so non of the work needs doing yet. Drive the 147 till mot time and see how you feel then. If it breaks down in the mean time current scrap prices mean you'll probably get a free tow to the breakers yard and you'll have had the cheapest owners experience of all of us.
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Does the car have an mot? If so non of the work needs doing yet. Drive the 147 till mot time and see how you feel then. If it breaks down in the mean time current scrap prices mean you'll probably get a free tow to the breakers yard and you'll have had the cheapest owners experience of all of us.
Not a particularly fun experience though if half the suspension is worn out.. It'll be about as fun as a long distance relationship with a pornstar. If you're gonna do it, do it right
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Thanks for the lengthy reply, I appreciate the help. You've got me thinking a bit more positively again on this!



I'm sure the brand began with 'B'. Quick Google suggests they might be Beru? He did say you can get cheaper ones, but get better life from these. Price included fitting if that helps!



Looking at the receipts, it's had a new oil filter April 2016 (with 8 units of 5w/30) - does this sound like an oil change? Also April 2014... 7 units of oil, and fuel, oil & air filter. I'm guessing the units are litres!




Thanks for the link. I'm not sure on the comparison as the names are not quite the same. The wishbone replacement he quoted 135. Not sure if it is the upper or lower that wants doing mind. 65 for the CV. 178 for what I've written down as 'lower arm ball'. Any further thoughts on how they sound?



It's only done 15k miles since April 2014, so maybe even longer on that? The CV boot was done April 2016, but apparently not very well according to my guy. It's rubbing against something, and is held on with cable ties apparently?

The N/S/R upper wishbone was done in April 2016 too.



Now we are talking Tell me more, especially if it needs new wishbones anyway!

yup , Beru glow plugs, thing is in a derv engine glow plugs are not like spark plugs are in a petrol,as a derv is compression igntion the glow plugs will only really come into thier own in colder temps, which we are admittedly coming into, the mechanic suggest they are giving lower readings..fine, but unless the car is hard to start then as you are on a budget I suggest you leave them until it becomes an issue. the 20 for 4 ebay ones I have are great and as said before my GT starts o the button every morning regardless of temp, when it doesn't I change them out but not before.

sounds like an oil change has been indeed been done so all good..no need for that.

re the NS upper wishbone, well if its OEM then OK, if not then I would personally change them all out as the labour is going to be much the same for all as three. so for the sake of 70 get them all done.


now onto the modding stuff...I personally think the stance of both the GT and the 147 (they have the same chasis BTW) is very height and wheel size sensitive...I love my GT 0n 18''s lowered by 25mm, it looks awesome but can be a bit harsh on crap roads, of which we have lots!!

so your 147..turismo so I assume 16''s , personally I would look for some used 17''s with good tyres, which solves 2 issues in one go..

here you go, 17'' supersports with tyres..85.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo...sAAOSwAuZX2-mx

budget 160 for a refurb and they will look fab on a 147.

then fit these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eibach-Spo...QAAOSwT5tWF5mr

lower by around 25-30 mm

and if you are feeling especially sporty fit one of these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-SE...:ptQAAOSwFe5Xz

then have a remap and egr delete which will really bring the car to life..

one caveat, have money aside for a clutch as a remap will find it out if its on its way...if you are happy to do this then go ahead and enjoy the extra fun to be had from a 147 with a little more poke...

this is all ''on the cheap'' as most would fit shocks and springs at the same time but plenty on here have eibach lowering springs with stock shocks and they have proved to be fine.

all of this is do-able easy within your budget and will leave you with a really fun and relaible drive...TBH sounds like you have lucked out as the cambelt is recent and its just had a service,other than the wishbones the other bits are minor, as far as the cambelt intervals go Alfa say 72k miles or 5 years, however most of us would reduce that to 60k or 4 years which is why I said you have another 2 on the belt, given the low mileage and age and value of the car I would probably stretch that to 5 years and say 2019 or another 3 years which will likely bring it to the end of its life or it last owner.


all in all it sounds like you have a good starting point for a good fun car..I have a couple of friendly suggestions for you though...

if you are going to own an Alfa (or any 11 year old car) its wise to become better aquainted with the oily bits and get used to popping the bonnet on a regular basis, there are a multitude of jobs you can undertake yourself which will make the owning experience not only cheaper but more enjoyable..lots of how to's on here for various things and a bunch of us who are friendly non judgemental of a lack of mehcanical knowledage and generally always happy to help.

and buy an elm 327 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Proscan-OB...g:uPgAAOxycSdR

and get torque app pro on your phone, for an outlay of 15 this will save you literally hundreds of pounds and give you the ability to read and clear codes from your cars ECU.

let us know how you proceed, and finally if the car is MOT'd I strongly suggest you take it to Autolusso or the Alfa workshop. all the servicing is fixed price so you know what you are getting into before they start, and as both also break Alfa's there are plenty of used parts for your ''niggly bits'' which will greatly reduce the cost of your spend.

go see Ned, or Loz at Autolusso Luton or Bournemouth or jamie at the Alfa workshop.

good luck and let us know how you get on.

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MOT'd around to April 2017, which is good news. Thanks for the garage suggestions, but I'm happy with Go Italia at the moment. It's only a few miles away, and the guy there seems to know his stuff. We've had a couple of decent chats already about this car, and Alfa's in general.

Not sure if my current wheels are 15" or 16", will need to look when I get the car back. Might be 15" as it's a lower spec one with the cloth seats etc. Current alloys are this design that I've attached (picture 'borrowed' from eBay). Is there a certain 'type' of alloy wheel that fits my 147 so I know what to search for? I do like the Collezione style ones, not so sure about them on the car. I could do with finding a picture of one to copy really.
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147ts plus bits

Heh, welcome to Alfa ownership. It's more of a marriage than anything else!
A 5k ds3 will bite you in the ass. I've been looking at ds's to replace my 147 with. The thp 1.6 to be exact. Timing chain death is common due to the prince engine using the wrong oil from day 1.
So my 147 stays!
If you're able to wield spanners then that list is fairly simple to deal with. You will need patience though. If the wishbones are shot they're gonna be a***** to remove for the first time. The lowers aren't hard but can try your patience.
Glow plugs use an 11mm deep socket and can be changed in half an hour.
Personally, I'd check the inside of the inlet manifold too, as these can soot up.
Then enjoy it. Potent engine in a fun car.
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Decided to go ahead with most the work, so should have her back by Friday

Current alloys are 15" as I suspected they might be. Need to decide what I'm doing on these fairly soon as the rear tyres are low on tread. Don't want to buy new tyres before deciding on the size. With winter coming up, I don't fancy flying up and down the motorway with borderline grip either!

Who's got their car down Go Italia at the moment? My guy knew about this thread, lol!
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Car is back, but I'm nearly 600 lighter!

Few niggles that want sorting...

- Dents in the paintwork. (N/S rear panel)
- One Headlight is clear and one is not... any ideas?!
- Badges are faded
- Not too keen on the DAB aerial at the front!
- Missing the 'T' from JTD

This is before I start thinking about the wheels or lowering springs!
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Car is back, but I'm nearly 600 lighter!

Few niggles that want sorting...

- Dents in the paintwork. (N/S rear panel)
- One Headlight is clear and one is not... any ideas?!
- Badges are faded
- Not too keen on the DAB aerial at the front!
- Missing the 'T' from JTD

This is before I start thinking about the wheels or lowering springs!
Ok..

Re the headlight,try a refurb kit,did mine and they came up great. The kit will have abrasive paste, wet and dry from 2-7000 and a sealant,I do have a buffing wheel though so much easier than by hand.

Otherwise it may be condensation in the headlight,well documented fix ..search function is your friend!

Replacement badges can be had on ebay for 3.99 a pop. They stick over the original ones and are available in 3 flavours "new alfa" which is current giulia and giulietta colours. "Old alfa" which is your original fitment ,or black and silver.

New jtd badge available from shop4parts,alfa workshop ebay etc etc.

Re the N/S rear panel dents,if not bad then depending on your skill and patience rattle cans can be effective,otherwise local bodyshop should be able to respray the whole panel for under 300.

If the car is red be prepared for it not quite matching...all depends on fade.

Not sure about the DAB ariel tbb but someone will no doubt shed some light on an alternative...

Re the wheels: have you decided what to get yet?
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The badges sticking over the top is quite handy, didn't realise they did that!

Few options on the wheels, thinking 16" or 17". Like quite a few of the designs, mainly the ones that are more "spoke" than solid. What I really need is a list of the options and their names.

I've got my eye on the attached ones on eBay, but they only 16".
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The badges sticking over the top is quite handy, didn't realise they did that!

Few options on the wheels, thinking 16" or 17". Like quite a few of the designs, mainly the ones that are more "spoke" than solid. What I really need is a list of the options and their names.

I've got my eye on the attached ones on eBay, but they only 16".
Well those ones you've linked to are GTV Teledials.

Supersport Alloys (17") - http://italiaautoparts.co.uk/media/IMG_13451.jpg

Ducati Corse Alloys (18") - http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/191397...-1/s-l1000.jpg

Collezione Alloys (17") - http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE5NVgxNjAw/z/vsAAAOSwzgRWxlg4/$_1.JPG

GTA Teledials (17" - I kinda want a set of these for my GT!) - http://i57.tinypic.com/11ugfi0.jpg

and then a plethora of multi-spoke options...
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The badges sticking over the top is quite handy, didn't realise they did that!

Few options on the wheels, thinking 16" or 17". Like quite a few of the designs, mainly the ones that are more "spoke" than solid. What I really need is a list of the options and their names.

I've got my eye on the attached ones on eBay, but they only 16".

Mmm


With Ed on this I infered he thinks they may not suit a 147. I agree... as he said they are indeed are GTV teledials. I have exactly these on my GTV,also not sure about offset.

photoshop anyone for a look see?

Supersports are your cheapest option and look great on a 147.

as also said lots of multispokes to choose from too.

Overall sounds like you are on your way to a sorted 147 though!


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With Ed on this I infered he thinks they may not suit a 147. I agree... as he said they are indeed are GTV teledials. I have exactly these on my GTV,also not sure about offset.
Quite the contrary - I'm on a covert mission to promote the GTV Tele's...

The more people that pick these up, the more spare GTA Tele sets there will be kicking about for when I start seriously looking to replace mine

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Quite the contrary- I'm on a covert mission to promote the GTV Tele's...

The more people that pick these up, the more spare GTA Tele sets there will be kicking about for when I start seriously looking to replace mine

Aaah the underlying motive is revealed..!

TBH any 17"s should look pretty good in comparison to what you have on there at present..

Also recommend 3-5mm wheel spacers to really make the most of the new wheels.

How about some clovers on your car Ed ,Or a set of Q2's..?
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Aaah the underlying motive is revealed..!

TBH any 17"s should look pretty good in comparison to what you have on there at present..

Also recommend 3-5mm wheel spacers to really make the most of the new wheels.

How about some clovers on your car Ed ,Or a set of Q2's..?
What I currently have is about halfway between Q2's and Clovers tbh... Not a huge fan of the Q2's myself, a bit robust for my tastes...

I wouldn't say no to a set of Clovers mind! I keep swinging back and forth between Clovers/Blacklines/GTAs.... Do like the idea of coming down to 17s for the ride comfort on the motorway... But then again 18s do look good in the wheel arches! I'll use up the tread I have on these tyres, then when I need new rubber I'll see what's about with a bit of tread left on them for sale
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Teledials all the way. 17s would be ideal but 16's will be ok if you are lowering.
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Regarding your missing t badge. I'd remove all the letters and polish the paint work. I had the j missing and did this. Looks good. Use a plastic spatula from the kitchen or some fishing line to remove.
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