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This rather tasty looking Q2 Cloverleaf GT popped up on Autotrader and was wondering what you guys thought? I was given some advice on here to try and use only 70% of my budget when buying a car, thus leaving sufficient funds for any contingencies... sensible advice. However, this would represent almost 90% of my budget... too risky?

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To be honest, if your budget really is your budget - no ifs or buts - then, Yes.
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Looks like a very nice car for the money... Very nice indeed...

Good points:
  • Q2 Diff
  • 170 Sport Button
  • Recent clutch and DMF
  • New rear brakes
  • Good tyres
  • Lovely colour

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  • No mention of last cambelt service - should be on it's 2nd or 3rd by now. Budget £350 for this if it needs doing.
  • All original and unmodified = EGR and Swirl Flaps are still present and likely to cause mischief in the near future - Both NEED sorting if you want the car to last reliably - budget £300-400 to get these sorted (although might be cheaper if you get done at the same time as the cambelt as you could save a bit of labour)
  • No mention of any suspension components being changed recently - reasonable assumption that that the upper wishbones will need doing within 12 months - https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/ suggests it had a set in 2014, so you're likely due a new set!
  • At 99k miles, I'd expect it to be on its second set of lower wishbones too - if no history then budget for these too.

TBH none of those risks are absolute killers, and at the price point you're looking at you'l likely have the same set of risks for every GT you look at... Might be a beaut and need none of the risky stuff addressing, or might need £2k worth of work within the next 6 months!

If I were buying it I'd want a total budget of about £5k, and I'd send it straight in to Loz and chuck another £1.5k at it straight away...
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Can't tell everything from the photos but I have to say it does *look* nice. Is it far from you, would it be a big deal to have a look and a test drive and walk away if it didn't feel right?

There's no mention of service history although the clutch and DMF has been done. How much change from your budget would you have after buying the car? Don't forget a car is always advertised for more than the seller will accept.

In my experience the size of one's budget is always just shy of the car that one really wants. What's the likelihood that you'd blow the change from your budget on pointless purchases anyway?

You only live once, go and have a look, take someone with you whose opinion you value, if all is well buy it.

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Exactly the kind of advice I needed. I keep seeing nice examples close to the top end of my budget and get a bit carried away. I think I need to remind myself of the original advice I was given and look for something around the £2000-£2500 price range leaving me plenty of funds to bring everything up to scratch.

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It popped up on here last night in the external ads. Very low price with a few concerns such as, high mileage, strange stonechip damage to both rear arches and a worryingly frequent amount of nearside upper arm changes
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If budget is a big (as in, defining) item in the criteria, what about opening up to other marques? You can always come back to an Alfa.
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I honestly don't think there is a sub 5k GT out there...

I have said this before but recent experience confirms this so I am going to mention it again...spend 3k on the car and 2k in the garage, spend 5k on the car and you still might end up with that situation, mine is easy one of the most sorted GT's out there but still cost me £800 in the last 3 months and £200 just last week on a new master cylinder and top hat bushes, MOT is due this month as well and I have already bought powerflex bushes for the uppers which are creaking, zero play but creaky..and they were done last year with genuine parts as always.

figure in the new SMF and GTA clutch and its a nearly 2k, although I admit the smf and clutch was ''elective''

you have two choices fella, get handy with the spanners and learn to do some of this yourself, or look for another Marque/car because 3.5 k for a GT will buy you something 8-10 years old with high mileage ( not in itself an issue) but if like most owners wiill do, the car is being sold before things need doing you are going to be inheriting some garage bills that the previous owners have avoided.

you need to spend 5k-5.5k o get a good car. whether you do this by buying cheaper and sorting it as you go or finding a good example and paying more is going to be down to circumstances, and luck.

why don't you look at a SAAB 93 2.8t or the 1.9 diesel..much more bullet proof interms of suspension than the GT, the 1.9 is the same fiat/vauxhall GM lump so all the usual re-map and egr stuff apply's but it won't cost you a fortune is ''other stuff'' and 3.5k would buy you a peach.

a 147 would also be cheaper and you could stay with the marque, in the nicest way I just think its pure folly to spend yoir entire budget on the car as there are bound to be things that need sorting in the first year of ownership and maybe much,much sooner...if it hits your pocket hard you will soon fall out of love with it...and that completely defetas the object.

you MAY be lucky and find the perfect car with exactly the right history and work done for 3.5k, but TBH most people that have a really sorted car tend to keep it, unless they have had a serious change in personal circumstances or need something significantly different to what they have.

after doing my master cylinder and tyres I am once again considering just keeping it as it's so damn sorted, despite the fact I want a petrol car and need something more ''city friendly'' the fact is it owes me more than the original purchase price in mods and maintenance, and you would be surprised how mcuh of that comes under just normal stuff, not modding it.

I am taking the position I am simply because i know how easy it would be to buy your 3.5k GT and drop the same on it inside of a year., takes a clutch and fly,some wishbones a service, a couple of turbo hoses and egr delete/clean and a set of tyres and you are there!!!

and this is all normal.

be very careful what you decide to do..and from whom you buy..


but as always best of luck ...:-)
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@Joeymannero - I'm starting to feel like I've employed you as an adviser such is the quality of your advice. Deep down I know you're right about casting my net wider to consider alternative manufacturers, and funnily enough one alternative I'd looked at was the Saab 9-3 ttid... nice looks and pretty nippy. However, I - like most people would - harbour concerns over the future availability of parts.

The 147 is an option but what makes it more financially viable than a GT? I always assumed they were pretty much the same car underneath
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It popped up on here last night in the external ads. Very low price with a few concerns such as, high mileage, strange stonechip damage to both rear arches and a worryingly frequent amount of nearside upper arm changes
The 3.4k GT looks good, I think realistically it is going to need some money spending on it straight away, if only a swirl flap delete to stay on the safe side but a 100k GT is always going to need easily gobble up £500 if you want to keep it tip-top. If you're happy to drive til the next MOT with some squeaks and creaks then you can keep them on the road for much less but in a way it kind of defeats the purpose of having double wishbone suspension if one half of them are wobbling about and not correctly maintaining the proper geometry.

The problem with spending all your budget on the car, is if something else crops up then you don't have enough money to fix it, or doing so impacts some other aspect of your life and that ends up putting a downer on the car. I have been there, done that & bought the T-shirt with my first 156, bought at 92k and proceeded to replace almost every part on the car over the next 20k miles. You've seen my £600 diesel 156 that I run around in now, I could buy a much nicer Alfa if I wanted, but running your own business your income can vary massively from month to month, sometimes negative (say for example the river decides it likes the look of your workshop) so I don't want to lumber myself with a daily driver that I have too much money tied up in. Worst case if it blows up, I'll buy another £600 one and swap the bits over.. It is a 10v though, so blowing up is absolutely not something it is ever likely to do *touch wood*

My advice, and I know as an Alfisti and garage owner its not something I should say, but there are other things in life to spend your money on, and a 3.4k car isn't 3.4 times more fun than a 1k car. The good thing about a car that doesn't owe you a lot is that you can always just walk away

159 is a different kettle of fish, that stonechip damage is fairly normal and it wouldn't surprise me if they are just using cheap upper wishbones rather than paying out for the genuine ones, which last a lot longer. As a rule a 159 will cost you more to keep on the road than a GT, all other things being equal. Stuff generally does wear out slower but it costs more to replace.
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@Joeymannero - I'm starting to feel like I've employed you as an adviser such is the quality of your advice. Deep down I know you're right about casting my net wider to consider alternative manufacturers, and funnily enough one alternative I'd looked at was the Saab 9-3 ttid... nice looks and pretty nippy. However, I - like most people would - harbour concerns over the future availability of parts.

The 147 is an option but what makes it more financially viable than a GT? I always assumed they were pretty much the same car underneath

post 2004 saab are GM , so all the parts are readily available, I wouldn't worry about that, they are solid in terms of suspension ,bodywork,engine,all of it, cool as you like to look at (especially in black) and although not quite the handling prowess of the GT its a grown up car that till has youthful appeal, OK for a guy in his mid 40's (me) as it doesn't shout midlife crisis, and ok for a guy in his mid 30's (you) as its cool enough to stand out and has genuine prescence compared to almost all the other cars in that price range they are a very classy choice and look and feel far more car than the pruchase price.

If I sell the GT I am very likely to buy one myself and keep my GTV for giggles and weekends, as i have all but ruled out the brera as a GT replacement, the Giiulia looks to need to fettling in the petrol models so thats out for a year as well..

re the the 147, it is exactly the same car underneath but they are cheaper to buy, leaving you the all important contigency money..4 door ones are a bit more sensible and the 1.9 diesel is exactly the same lump as the GT..they don't have the same sense of occasion but its a compromise that allows you to stay with alfa that is less risky as your budget cam cover purchase and problems.


with £3500 to spend I personally would be buying a SAAB 93 2.8T in black and convertible, but the 1.9 is fine (as you have to stay diesel) and I could live with that...The interior is a bit boring when you compare it with Alfa interiors but you still get leather and comfort...and re-mapped they can make 200 BHP on the standard turbo.

and with the hood down it just becomes a very nice place to be.

and look what you can get for your budget...

Saab 9-3 1.9 VECTOR TID 2d 150 BHP * BEAUTIFUL LOW MILEAGE LOW PRICE EXAMPLE *


all the usual caveats, look for a clutch and fly in the higher milage ones and go in with your eyes open, but the one above I would buy tomorrow if I had sold the GT...!
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For what its worth, I'm not a fan of the 2.8T. I testdrove one a while back as a family motor (9-3 Sportwagon) and wasn't impressed, felt lazy and not all that quick. The 9-5 2.3 HOT though (250hp), that did feel a lot better. Shame they don't put that engine in the 9-3, but they do a 2.0T with just over 200hp and they soooo tuneable..
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thanks Dan,..!

thing is with the saab I just don't think I need it to be ''quick'' the whole purchase is about buying a work tool I can enjoy on a day to day basis. willl keep a 2nd car for giggles, just not the GT.

aim to try all the petrol ones, did try the 1.8t before I bought my first GT and didn't like it..but it wasn't the quickest or most engaging...have heard great things about the bigger ones and the HOT..

considering a couple of other marques and models but will keep those a secret on this Alfa forum!!!

p.s thanks for the advice today, elected to refit the compensator, re-made the O/S rear brake pipe which was kinked so that should help a bit, bleeding tomorrow ..fingers crossed we have not got air in the ABS unit.


thing is, in terms of cobblepop's needs we all know a GT is likely to need some work, you are spot on with the 99k Clover Dan, swirl flaps and egr out as a bare minimum and a cambelt whilst you are there..so we are already on about £600 ..?

bound to be one or two other bits you find hilst there so that £3500 GT is really a £4500 GT..the Saabs are just a bit less prone to issues, although worth mentioning that thr 1.9 even in the saab will have flaps and and egr...it just won't be so likely to need anything else.
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Interesting one this, i came from a Saab 9-3 turbo , bought from a specialist whose daughter had owned the car, wanted something smaller but the previous owner to her was a real enthusiast, new polybushes, turbo chipped by Abbott Racing, new strut brace etc.

The upshot was, even though i had only a limited budget, because it had a very full service history and the important upgrades from a real Saab fan , over 3 years it was no trouble at all to run, just the odd service, it really did feel rock solid.

Wouldn't mind another now i think about it !
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Its a private seller, so they will negotiate.

You know what needs to be done. Belts and swirl flaps mainly. So ask the question - when was the belt done and have the swirl flaps been deleted. If no, then offer accordingly: if it needs belts and swirl flaps, go in at £2800 - they'll say no initially, but when you point out that any knowledgeable buyer will have to drop £600 on it instantly, they may settle down.

If the belts are new-ish and the swirl flaps have been sorted, and it drives properly, then pay the money, it looks like a clean one.
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The Saab is starting to look like a good option. my three basic requirements are: reasonable economy (40mpg), room for the pooch (4 door saloon or hatchback) and decent power. I've never had anything with over 150bhp so I'm particularly interested in the 9-3 TTiD. So, who wants to tell me why this is a bad idea?
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not me.

Alfa's can be quite evocative, and you get addicted to ownership, the Marque has charm and they are aurguably ''more than just a car'' but after a while and especially on a budget ,it can get tiring keep having to pay out for bits and pieces here and there..

I am going to be brutally honest here and make some points re the finish and build quality.

the paint is not as good on the Alfa's and needs care and attention to keep in optimum condition, BMW,Audi,Merc and SAAb just do a better job with that, undersealing is also done right, even the GM saabs are great because saab ignored every request from GM to cut corners, spend less money and make a compromise, it shows in the build quality and is actually the reason why they went bust, they stuck to their ethos of making solid,safe and reliable cars. even the 1.9 lump suffers less from oil cooler failure in the saab as the underside and unions were rust proofed properly from the factiory..

owning a GT is like painting a bridge, by the time you have finished with maintenance items its time to start all over again!!! the steering geometory means the rubber components are under more stress, so realistically 60k is it on front uppers and lowers, and some get significantly less thn that. then there are ARB drop links that require the sub frame to replace, master and slave cylinders that go with worrying regularity...

slightly questionable and finnicky electrics (especially the window units) front headlights that are like wallpapering a hallway through a letterbox to change..they do seem to throw cambelts more than any other marque I can think of...

they are gorgeous to look at, fun to drive, egaging and soulful and will get under your skin, but remember whilst they are cheap to buy, they are NOT cheap to run..I think sometimes the forum can give a bit of a false impression of this because lots of guys that run these as dailys are either not doing huge miles, do the maintenace and servcing themselves and may have picked up a car cheap and sorted it on the driveway, meaning it makes pefect financial sense. from what I can gather none of this applies to you..

there is also the fact that the average gargae down the road won't service them, or prefer's not to as due to the relatively small number of cars Alfa make most non fiat/alfa mechanics don't work on them often enough to be familar with engine layout and idiosyncracies of the car, hence any work required menas time and energy getting to a specialist or your local non marque specific indie charging just a bit more for things as they are learning as they go..when I took mine to ats to replace the tyres half the guys had never seen one and those that had saw them ''rarely'' hence I was in the workshop making sure they didn't crush the sills or do soemthing else stupid..

having owned BMW ,Audi and Mercedes before I have to say my Alfa has been the most mainenance heavy car relative to mileage I have ever owned, by a counntry mile!!! end of...its also been the most fun but it has come at a cost.

you need a diesel which implies you do miles..on 30k a year mileage I cannot see you getting away with not doing at least one large item a year ...suspension and cambelts on alternate years, perhaps even a clutch, an oil cooler, a radiator, a sensor here and there...it all mounts up.

30k in one year in my previous BMW e36 with only a brake caliper needed...and the car was 12 years old at the time. My wifes Honda civic 2.2 diesel covered 260k with only servicing and the odd EGR clean, clutch did 130k each time !!! flywheel needed replacing once.

I Love my alfa , honestly, but with the budget you have and the mileage requiments there are less stressful propositions, I cannot see it costing you less than £1500 -2k a year to run, and initially maybe a touch more as you catch up with bits that have been left...

go and buy the SAAB, lots of car for the money,nice to look at, still a bit different and built very,very well.

by the way if you MUST have the Alfa the clover looks good, comletely agree with RXE though, you must get it for less money and its already keenly priced TBH.... this is the pefect example of why they depreciate so heavily,an 08 car and we are all talking about £2800-3000 as being reasonable ....try buying an 08 plate Audi or BMW for that money!!
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To invoke hindsight here for just a mo... Would it have been cheaper to hang onto the old car (presumably a Cat C) and resolve its issues as otherwise it was a known quantity?

If one is talking good paint, the nineties Volvos seemed to have some of the nicest I can recall; a near perfect balance of hardness and polishability.

Would a Soarer coupé be too old?
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Once again you're spot on. For the year I had my GT I'd spent approx £1500 maintaining it, and that's ignoring the noisy flywheel and oil leak coming from the gearbox area. I was using it as my daily workhorse and had racked up 14k miles in 10 months, I'd expect to do a similar amount of miles in my next car. My knowledge with the spanners is indeed limited, changing the EGR valve and a wiper motor was at the extreme end of my abilities.

It's sad to admit but I think you're right about moving away from the marque and trying something a little more solid. Looking for something which fits my criteria (Economical, room for the dog, fast-ish and different from the norm), the Saab is leading the way. I've always liked the look of the Chrysler 300c just for its sheer road presence and for the unusual factor I like the Renault Laguna coupe, unfortunately both fall short of the Saab when meeting my criteria. So, I'm now on the lookout for a 9-3 TTiD with the challenge being to try and find one with lowish miles within my budget.

Thanks again joeymanerro, I honestly don't think i'd've come to make the sensible decision without your advice
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If one is talking good paint, the nineties Volvos seemed to have some of the nicest I can recall; a near perfect balance of hardness and polishability.

Would a Soarer coupé be too old?
I did explore the possibility of keeping the GT but repair was getting close to £4000. I probably could've got that down a little but it still didn't quite stack up.

The Soarer would be nice but as far as I know there's no diesel? and besides, it's not really dog friendly.
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Once again you're spot on. For the year I had my GT I'd spent approx £1500 maintaining it, and that's ignoring the noisy flywheel and oil leak coming from the gearbox area. I was using it as my daily workhorse and had racked up 14k miles in 10 months, I'd expect to do a similar amount of miles in my next car. My knowledge with the spanners is indeed limited, changing the EGR valve and a wiper motor was at the extreme end of my abilities.

It's sad to admit but I think you're right about moving away from the marque and trying something a little more solid. Looking for something which fits my criteria (Economical, room for the dog, fast-ish and different from the norm), the Saab is leading the way. I've always liked the look of the Chrysler 300c just for its sheer road presence and for the unusual factor I like the Renault Laguna coupe, unfortunately both fall short of the Saab when meeting my criteria. So, I'm now on the lookout for a 9-3 TTiD with the challenge being to try and find one with lowish miles within my budget.

Thanks again joeymanerro, I honestly don't think i'd've come to make the sensible decision without your advice

my pleasure, and it is disappointing conclusion to come to, I have been thinking about a replacement for the GT for a while and have come to the very same conclusion for myself as I have regarding your situation, the only exception is I will buy petrol V6.

I love the marque, I really do, but unless you can find 5.5k to buy mine or a similarly no compromises on maintenance example then you are in for a smack on the backside at some point...even my ''perfect''' example has cost me " £200 this month, completely unexpectedly...thats minus fuel,road tax isurance and the upcoming MOT.

I am just not one eyed in my view of the marque, and being from an Italian background and having 3 other italian cars (a GTV TS and 2x Fiat coupe's) I know there are some engineering decisions that are made by Alfa/Fiat that store problems up down the cars life...The Japanese have it nailed in terms of boring reliabilty and the germans have the style,quailty thing in good balance..Alfa have the style nailed, no question, pininfarina, guigario,bertone, these are the reasons we love them.

we ''put up'' with the rest because of the sheer beauty of them and the driving experience.

when my Alfa goes I will miss her, which is why I am keeping the GTV for fun.


But I will not miss the haunted windows, the chocolate wishbones,and the overall fragility of the car, you have only got to look at the door in a supermarket car park and it gets a dent in it!! and everytine it really rains I find myself checking the windows have closed properly and that there are no leaks , I open the doors gently in case I break a handle, I service the car way ahead of all the recommended intervals,use only OE parts or better because the car won't accept any less.

the SAAB like my previous Beemers amd mercs will just get on with the job trouble free, and want throw a fit if you stick an aftermarket maf in it! but I will not love it as much as my Alfa, that is for certain.

your ditching the supermodel in favour of the very pretty, much less fussy and much lower maintenance Swedish girl next door....


enjoy and good luck with your search...!

when circumstances change or you have room for another car, or a weekend toy, you can always come back to the marque...it's au revoir not goodbye..
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Some very good points there from Joey, i think you've hit the nail on the head..

The only thing i would be in slight disagreement with is the comment on german cars. Now i used to love BMWs with a passion but that love is reserved only for the older models, the E36, E28s which are on the whole well balanced, handsome designs.
Move up to the current offerings and you have that aggressive in yer face styling, the saggy in the middle 1 series , horrible bloated X5, X6.

Then theres the complete t**ts that drive them, nearly every morning without fail on my commute to work a BMW or Audi of some description comes racing up behind and sits a fag papers width off my rear bumper.

Thats besides the questionable quality of the newer offerings,they are now built down to a price as opposed to 20/30 years ago when they were very much built like tanks.

No, from Alfa i would much rather go back to Saab than BMW
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Some very good points there from Joey, i think you've hit the nail on the head..

The only thing i would be in slight disagreement with is the comment on german cars. Now i used to love BMWs with a passion but that love is reserved only for the older models, the E36, E28s which are on the whole well balanced, handsome designs.
Move up to the current offerings and you have that aggressive in yer face styling, the saggy in the middle 1 series , horrible bloated X5, X6.

Then theres the complete t**ts that drive them, nearly every morning without fail on my commute to work a BMW or Audi of some description comes racing up behind and sits a fag papers width off my rear bumper.

Thats besides the questionable quality of the newer offerings,they are now built down to a price as opposed to 20/30 years ago when they were very much built like tanks.

No, from Alfa i would much rather go back to Saab than BMW
agree totally, would never buy a new beemer, my last was an e36 with a straight six and it was a cracker...would go e46 or Z4 coupe as well but the vanos system was a PITA which is why I started looking elsewhere, alfa was the obvious choice as my bikes had always been Italian..as is m heriatge.

money no object and I would stay Alfa with a Giulia QV, or even the 4 pot turbo 280 bhp, but they will need a year or two to sort out the teething troubles and i would not want to suffer the depreciation of a new Alfa on a high mileage.

might as well go throw 15k down the loo! will wait 2-3 years and get one then..it will be my next Alfa for sure but I need an interim car if I sell the GT

in the meantime its buy a SAAB, I honestly cannot think of a single other car that ticks the boxes for me...


could live with a V6 TT or a Z4 coupe if I had to as well but the TT is a bit common and the Z4 coupe lacks the spare seating and boot space and I dpn't cut hair for a living so neither is really suitable..and those scallops on the Z4!!! its been bangled. someone should steal that mans pens...

all good points though Ber tony GT..seems the SAAB has it.
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And then this one crops up....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252548193472

Well under budget, reasonable mileage, Q2, whats not to like?
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Not bad at all...

Right price. a 147 so not the presence if the GT but arguably all the other attributes ars present.

Very good shout..!
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