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I found this diagram, makes more sense now....
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Check the fuse first.

It's the yellow 20A fuse in the box on the right hand side of the battery. The fuse is in Position 05.

I just bought a GTA and the washers weren't working. Hey presto, this fuse had blown.

They way they work is only when the headlights on. You need to hold the washer down for 2/3 seconds before the headlight washers work. That way you can just squirt the screen with a couple of short burst without emptying the tank on the headlights.
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If you have Halogen headlights, the washers are not part of the MOT.
Supplemementary question: My 147 (2008 Sport Q2) had halogens and no headlamp washers, but was fitted with aftermarket dip HID's by the previous owner. The (original) bumper has no holes for washers, and none of the other stuff - although oddly MES logs a fault with the non-existent headlamp washer relay. It's soon due for the first MOT since I bought it. Can I expect problems over the HID/no washer combination?
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Supplemementary question: My 147 (2008 Sport Q2) had halogens and no headlamp washers, but was fitted with aftermarket dip HID's by the previous owner. The (original) bumper has no holes for washers, and none of the other stuff - although oddly MES logs a fault with the non-existent headlamp washer relay. It's soon due for the first MOT since I bought it. Can I expect problems over the HID/no washer combination?
No.
Washers and/or levelling need to work for HIDs, but only if the washers/levelling is fitted.
If washers/levelling isn't fitted to the car, it is not a failure in the UK MOT.
In NI the situation is different...
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For the UK MOT, my understanding of the light, washer and level scenarios is as below (sorry for poor formatting, can't get a table in via my tablet):



UK MOT Headlight, Wash & Level



Headlight - Headlight Washers - Self Levelling Headlight Aim - MOT Impact

Halogen - Not fitted - Not fitted - Passable
Halogen - Not fitted - Fitted Not Working - Likely fail
Halogen - Not fitted - Fitted and Working - Passable
Halogen - Fitted Not Working - Not fitted - Passable
Halogen - Fitted Not Working - Fitted Not Working - Likely fail
Halogen - Fitted Not Working - Fitted and Working - Passable
Halogen - Fitted and Working - Not fitted - Passable
Halogen - Fitted and Working - Fitted Not Working - Likely fail
Halogen - Fitted and Working - Fitted and Working - Passable

Zenon (HID) - Not fitted - Not fitted - Passable
Zenon (HID) - Not fitted - Fitted Not Working - Likely fail
Zenon (HID) - Not fitted - Fitted and Working - Passable
Zenon (HID) - Fitted Not Working - Not fitted - Likely fail
Zenon (HID) - Fitted Not Working - Fitted Not Working - Likely fail
Zenon (HID) - Fitted Not Working - Fitted and Working - Likely fail
Zenon (HID) - Fitted and Working - Not fitted - Passable
Zenon (HID) - Fitted and Working - Fitted Not Working - Likely fail
Zenon (HID) - Fitted and Working - Fitted and Working - Passable



Happy for corrections to be made of course, so we have a nice single view for everyone. Also have no ideas about LED headlights, but assume they will follow same path as Zenon.
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Happy for corrections to be made of course, so we have a nice single view for everyone.
They ARE NOT part of the MOT for Halogen, it is ONLY for HID.
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They ARE NOT part of the MOT for Halogen, it is ONLY for HID.
Agreed, hence they pass on halogen regardless, unless you happen to also to have duff auto levelling, which would then be a fail
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Agreed, hence they pass on halogen regardless, unless you happen to also to have duff auto levelling, which would then be a fail
Failed auto-levelling would not be a failure on a Halogen car.
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Failed auto-levelling would not be a failure on a Halogen car.
Well didn't know that, as a loaded up car would be blinding on-comers by having no dip offset to the lights. Sounds like a stupid criteria, but then again, I doubt most even test it, as you'd need to stack the rear of the car to see if the beemiddle then raises above the limit, which I bet they can't be arsed to do lol.
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Well didn't know that, as a loaded up car would be blinding on-comers by having no dip offset to the lights. Sounds like a stupid criteria, but then again, I doubt most even test it, as you'd need to stack the rear of the car to see if the beemiddle then raises above the limit, which I bet they can't be arsed to do lol.
Self-levelling can't be tested during the MOT.
That is covered in the MOT Inspection manual too.
So it is basically just a visual check that all the self-levelling bits are there and attached.
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Makes sense.

Well, just had a look at my washers, and the previous owner had cut and plugged the hose coming from the pump. Why shorted it, I don't know, as wasnt long enough to reattach.

Managed to find some silicone hose in the garage that fit, bit smaller id, but went on, so I've pulled the pump, replaced that hose and I have head light washers. Yeay

I have a feeling they may have done that because the washers leak, so having lost 3/4 tank of screen wash (didn't realise it'd drain from the hose, thought pump would hold the tank volume bacck and id just drop the hose content, ie not much, but no, the lot came out), I've filled to the brim and will see if she still holding any tomorrow. Just need to get it through the mot and can then pull the fuse and plug the hose back up, as don't want to keep themy lol.

Fingers crossed the fluid holds and thanks for all the help everyone
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Well, enough fluid stayed in to pass the mot. Now time to block off again and hopefully remember to re-plumb them for next mot lol.

Cheers all, now to fix the squeaky suspension, pull to left and shaky steering wheel (hoped the new tyres would sort that, alas no).
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Good news, another year of trouble free motoring
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I'm an optimistic chap generally, but this might be pushing it!
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