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Torn between 156 & GT

So I parted company with my GT 1.9 JTD after a Reno Megane tried to mate with it... unsuccessfully.

My dilemma now is that I'm torn between buying a replacement GT or having a change with a 156. Dan at Autolusso Penrith has a nice '05 plate 156 JTD for sale which has had a lot of work done so should be a solid purchase. However, a pretty nice looking GT just popped up on eBay and I'm finding it difficult to decide which way to go... both have high mileage but that's something I have to live with seeing as I'm on a bit of a budget.

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I'd take the 156 from Dan over the risk of an unknown quantity on ebay. All things being equal though, I would take a GT over a 156 unless it's a sport wagon in which case it would be close......
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Can I ask why you'd take the GT over the 156? The handling? The looks?
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156 All day long. Face lift interior would be a must though else it does feel a bit dated.

But other than that GT is a 156 in a frock ;-)
But I always prefer more doors. But that's just me.

You also get better engine choices. But that's not a question here.
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GT has a bit more Charisma IMO and they do handle differently despite being the same chassis, the GT has the stiffened floor pan from the sportwagon so its not ''just a 156 in a frock'' although I take your point of course scotty!

the GT looks ok, but underwheeled IMO but other than that a decent purchase considering the recent work.

the 156 from Dan is almost certainly a safer choice but if you want safe buy a Honda, IMO buy the one you want..if its the GT then take it to Dan after and have it heath checked, as I said on a previous thread negotiate hard as its better to have some funds left over for unexpected's..the mileage wouldn't worry me at all BTW 134k for a diesel is just getting warmed up! the advantages are at that mileage its almost certainly had all of th major stuff done ,maybe even twice.

so same advice, look for the normal carp that is advisable on a GT or 156, suspension,oil cooler,belts ,yada yada!

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Gt handles better
Gt has a stiffer chassis (15%)
Gt looks better, it's a coupe
Gt has a big boot
Gt has the correct amount of doors, 2
Gt has better build quality
Gt has a better interior, except maybe center console. Best chairs in alfa history (for me)

But Alan Walker has the best point
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Can I ask why you'd take the GT over the 156? The handling? The looks?
I need to have a hatchback so from a purely practical point of view, a 156 saloon doesn't fulfill my needs. A GTA sportwagon vs a GT 3.2 is a hard choice but I love the looks of the GT and I believe it to be a better handling, better made and more complete all rounder. The other factor is that finding a good GTA Sportwagon is virtually impossible but there are still a few decent 3.2 GTs on the market(although this won't last much longer). Classic Cars magazine this month is running a feature on the cars most likely to increase in value in the near future and one of the experts they asked tipped anything with a Busso V6 and more particularly the GTA's and GT 3.2s in the 10,000 price bracket. My GT 3.2 perfectly meets my needs, is great to drive and look at and is costing me nothing in depreciation. It's a win, win.

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Any thoughts?
How long do you normally keep cars? What sort of events have changed the cars in your life?
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Rust is starting to kill more and more 156's...
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Rust is starting to kill more and more 156's...
Shame really as this one looks pretty tidy. Get a couple years out of it without too much worry.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/alfa-romeo...YAAOSwZVlXo59X

Oh and its a V6 wagon... Although rust might be setting in its a cheap buy for a 2 year gap with everything else sorted on it. Plus no exploding diff due to auto box.
Wouldn't take much to have a look under to see how bad it is might even last until the cambelt went. Looks like he has spent a bit of cash sorting it and its a good colour combo
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Whatever I buy I have to keep it running for 3 years and the only criteria I need to meet are, good economy and enough space for a medium sized dog (either in the boot or on the back seats). If it's a 156, I'd only be interested in the facelift model which kind of limits my engine choices as I've heard the 2.4 20v has some pretty big issues with driveshafts.

@Joeymannero - what do you mean by underwheeled? Needs bigger rims?

Thanks for the opinions gents, this is exactly what I needed to thrash this out
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I should say that if I get a 156 it's probably going to be lowered and have the AutoDS body kit installed, possibly leveling out the playing field looks wise. With the GT I'd only need to lower it to get it to look right.

Price-wise, this should even out between the two due to the 156 being cheaper initially...
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That is the bonus of the 156 being pretty much the same car at a lower price. But as you have your own criteria to meet you just pick the one that's in the best condition.

Both will drive pretty much the same

If I had a dog though i'd go for the sportswagon every time.
That way the dog can jump up its self to get in the frigging thing.
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That way the dog can jump up its self to get in the frigging thing.
My German Shorthaired Pointer has no trouble getting himself into the back of my GT

Does get a clout on the head when I shut the boot and he forgets to duck though...
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Once you had had a GT you will not even look back at a 156.
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Once you had had a GT you will not even look back at a 156.
I didn't warm to my GT 3.2 so much, just didn't find the dash/cabin as nice as the 156s, both early style and late style. I always thought a GT with 156 interior would have been perfect. I'm more than happy with my 156 GTA & 5-pot diesel, sold my GT 3.2 years ago and haven't really looked back. GT is useful if you need boot space and the practicality of moving bulky items more than you need the practicality of 4 doors. I had to get rid of my GT as I really struggled lifting the car seats in and out of the back.

GT is a classic Bertone design but the Giugiaro facelift 156 is also a belter, there's nothing between them IMO. Alfa really were on form in the early 2000s.

Anyway the argument is irrelevant, the Sportwagon is clearly the best looking of the lot
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I need to have a hatchback so from a purely practical point of view, a 156 saloon doesn't fulfill my needs. A GTA sportwagon vs a GT 3.2 is a hard choice but I love the looks of the GT and I believe it to be a better handling, better made and more complete all rounder.
The GT doesn't handle better than a GTA (of any sort). The GTA cars and the GT 3.2 have the same chassis, stiffening and all.
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The 156 is in this case, I believe, a distraction.

The urge to own and possibly modify a GT has clearly been insufficiently scratched.

(I declare no personal opinion either way.)
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Ouch, that sounds really painful. Hope you weren't badly hurt.
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Not sure if i'd want to replace a GT with another GT apart from maybe a 3.2.

156 sounds a good choice esp with autolusso work completed, looks a safe bet, well as safe a bet as you get with an Alfa
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I am leaning towards a 156, mostly due to the fact that I've only ever owned one Alfa and that was a GT... I'm itching to try something different.

What about the 159? Worth considering as well?
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159....mmm


Better build Quality than any of the 156 derived cars but HEAVY...

And feels it.

A very capable and stylish motorway cruiser but handles like a barge in comparison to the GT,156 or 147.

If you are considering that route a brera is prettier for sure..and a bit better than the 159 in handling stakes.

2.2 is pointless really ,very underpowered and both this and the 3.2 have timing chain issues so buy carefully if you go this route.

If it were me the brera or 159 would need the 5 pot diesel to be viable for miles and power.

Re-map and dpf/egr delete and its not bad.

They do have swirl flaps though.

Considered one many times and driven plenty. Always walk away disappointed..

So beautiful to look at but a complete let down from a driving perpective.

Depends what you want. I don't think you'll enjoy it after a GT.

If your hankeribg for a change go and buy Dans 156...!
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I had a GT diesel which mostly I enjoyed. I'd love a 3.2 GT but have no desire for another diesel. That 4-pot 1.9 sounds really, really crap and don't let anyone kid you an exhaust upgrade sounds better because they just sound even more **** afterwards . I hated the engine but loved the looks.

I'd take my 159 2.4 over the GT every day. Better interior (The GT dash I mean as it looks crap and cheap, the rest of the interior is pretty good) though I'm not thrilled with the 159 dash but it is better.
For a tractor engine the 5-cylinder is one of the best and actually sounds good when pushed. I don't notice the handing that much (though agree the GT was better) but the ride in the 159 is sooooo much smoother, quieter (oh my ears and aching bum bone in the GT).

The GT I had creaked and groaned (not long after the wishbones were done too!), I did the drop links twice in less than four years too. The ride was too firm but the seats in the GT are the best I've ever sat in which includes three Ferraris' and one with CF sport seats. However the Ferraris and 916 Spider have/had a more comfortable ride than the GT.
I believe if you open your heavy wallet and buy aftermarket suspension bits it greatly improves.

As I said the only GT I would buy is a V6. I could put up with all the [cheese made suspension) issues with that symphony of six in front

Priorities I find, are usually someone else's.
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I didn't warm to my GT 3.2 so much, just didn't find the dash/cabin as nice as the 156s, both early style and late style. I always thought a GT with 156 interior would have been perfect. I'm more than happy with my 156 GTA & 5-pot diesel, sold my GT 3.2 years ago and haven't really looked back. GT is useful if you need boot space and the practicality of moving bulky items more than you need the practicality of 4 doors. I had to get rid of my GT as I really struggled lifting the car seats in and out of the back.

GT is a classic Bertone design but the Giugiaro facelift 156 is also a belter, there's nothing between them IMO. Alfa really were on form in the early 2000s.

Anyway the argument is irrelevant, the Sportwagon is clearly the best looking of the lot
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It's the reason I will restore and respray my 156 Sportwagon, it really is (was) one of the most practicable and best looking cars (Alfa) out there. Very little has captured me since (159 feels too heavy)

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I keep flicking left and right and can't decide what to go for... seeing as it has to be a diesel I've got a real hankering for a 2.4 10v 'cos I can't stand the sound of that 4 pot up front. Problem is, I'm not keen on the pre-facelift front end on the 156 and the 20v seems like it has its share of issues.

So, it has to be a diesel due to my annual mileage, I'd like to avoid the 1.9, I don't like the things I'm hearing about the 2.4 20v and I don't like the front end on the 2.4 10v 156... I'm screwed aren't I?

My god, I might have to consider something other than an Alfa
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