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Old 06-08-2007   #1 (Post Link)
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DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

this was another little project i completed.

recently, i discovered that the orange filter inside the front repeaters had come loose. i believe this is a common problem, not only in the GT; they can be replaced under warranty. but it was the impetus for me to modify them to a completely 'clear' look.

this involved sourcing some orange-tinted globes what would fit. then cracking open (literally!) the original housings to remove the orange filter, and fitting the new globes.

it was a success, and quite easy. and i think the results are great; the clear lenses integrate much better with the main headlights.

NOTE: this modification may not comply with your local roadtraffic authority; you should check before embarking on this project; I am not aware of any such restriction in Victoria, Australia, where I live, so have taken the chance; many newer cars feature clear lenses and orange globes
NOTE: LED-style globes are not suitable because of their low 'wattage'; this means they draw very little power, and the onboard electronics will falsely indicate a 'bulb failure' message

the following is a step-by-step guide and photo essay to help you out.

you will need:
*various flatblade screwdrivers: medium (5-6mm wide) and small (4mm wide) should suffice
*utility knife (not essential)
*file: suitable for filing soft metal (to modify globes if necessary)
*superglue or similar
*clear silicone or similar: suitable to bond plastic or glass
*new orange-tinted H21W (21 watt) globes: 9mm bayonet base; BAY9S fitment is the original, but variations can be made to fit (eg: BA9S); only the pin locations vary; i bought orange BA9S globes off ebay

*photo 1: these are the original front side repeaters on my car with their orange filters inside the housings
-the housings can be removed as normal using a medium flatblade screwdriver, which is described in your Owner Manual; it is a little fiddly, because the retaining tabs (especially on the bottom) catch on the plastic grill; it is also fairly easy to mark/indent the grill with your screwdriver, so take care and perhaps use a rag/cloth sandwiched between the screwdriver and grill that you are levering on; uncouple the globe base/wiring from the housing (twist-release)
*photo 2: the original R side repeater housing, removed from the car
*photo 3: this is the risky step! the clear lens is glued to the main black housing; using a small (4mm) flatblade screwdriver, gently 'crack' the join around the edge, squeezing and levering the screwdriver into the gap; BE CAREFUL not to use too much force because the lens plastic is brittle; I created a small crack on the front of mine (live and learn); the edges which you crack open will end up quite rough, but this is no consequence; you can use a utility knife to clean the edges slightly but no need to be too aggressive because you want the 2 edges to rejoin snuggly
*photo 4: with the clear lens removed, you can then remove the internal orange filter that is clipped into place; mine were already loose and rattling inside; the fitment is quite sloppy, so it is no surprise that they commonly uncouple; clean away any debris inside the housing
*photo 5: this is the clear lens test-fitted back into place, without the orange filter; much better looking! this is the result you are after; a reflective silver liner is fitted to the back of the housing
*photo 6: now resecure the clear lens after discarding the orange filter; i would suggest a combination of superglue and silicone: first, apply some superglue sparingly, say only to either end of the housing rather than the entire circumference (excessive glue and its vapour may discolour the inside of the lens; how do i know?!); the superglue can serve the purpose of temporarily holding the lens in place; next, use clear silicone or similar to apply an external seal and bond around the entire circumference of the join; use your finger to squish the silicone into any gaps and smooth it over (if using an acid-based silicone, you can dip your finger in vinegar or similar, to facilitate smoothing off the silicone; or use wax&grease remover; note that these will irritate the skin on some people); my results are fairly rough, but the sides of the housing are hidden from view once refitted to the car; clean up any excessive silicone as necessary (eg: if any smeared across front of lens), so have suitable cleaner onhand, if only to clean your hands, because it can be a bit messy!
*photo 7: here are my new globes; the original H21W BAY9S globe is on the left; the new orange-tinted globes are a BA9S fitment, meaning the pins are orientated slightly differently; the middle globe is an experiment: i have sprayed one half of the glass with silver paint to further mask its presence inside the housing; it is unnecessary, and i found that it 'smoked' (literally!) as the globe heats up, so probably best avoided!
*photo 8: end-on, you can compare the 3 globes; on the L is the original BAY9S bayonet fitment, with pins at 12 and 4 o'clock; on the R is the new BA9S orange globe, with pins at 12 and 6 o'clock; in the middle i have simply filed away one pin, allowing fitment into the car's holder
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

-now refit the new globes into the holders, and resecure these into the modified housings (you may wish to set the housings aside overnight for the silicone/glue to cure 100%); you are now ready to reinstall them into the car; yippee
*photo 9: this is a comparative shot; the new modified 'clear' repeater is on the R side (L of photo), and original 'orange' one on the L side of the car (R of photo)
*photo 10: now here's the completed project with 2 new clear repeaters!
*photo 11: a pic of the R one
*photo 12: a pic of the L one
*photo 13: so long as you're using 21W globes, they will flash as brightly as the originals

now sit back and have a well-earned beer.
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

Looks . As you said does sit nicer with the headlights. Mine, I think, have more of a black tint so go with the body colour a bit better. To be honest never really had a good look
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

Nice job, and would save you quite a bit of dosh as opposed to buying some aftermarket clear lenses. Makes the GT look like a 'face lift' version. One of my indicators is lose anyway so this mod will be on the cards in the very near future.

Cheers shinycar. We should really have a new section called 'HOW TO GUIDES'. There are quite a few building up now that are very useful.
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

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would save you quite a bit of dosh as opposed to buying some aftermarket clear lenses.
well, that's the thing. i've not seen clear indicator lenses/housings for the front of the GT. i looked online, searched high and low on google, and nothing. i would have considered buying them if available, depending upon cost.

but hey, it was fun doing it myself. and yes, saved some money.

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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

I now have clear front indicators as above, looks cool, well worth the effort. Can't believe Alfa haven't done this with their 'facelift' GTs.

One thing I struggled with was finding the replacement bulbs in amber. The bulb type listed in the user manual for the front indicators is PY21W, which was different from the H21W that shinycar listed so I double checked the actual bulb fitted and sure enough it is a H21W, so the user manual for the UK GT is wrong.

I tried 3 online bulb suppliers and also my local Part Co, and they could not supply the H21W in either clear or Amber, neither could they supply a suitable variant of the BA9S fitment. I remembered from my modeling days (cars and planes, not in front of the camera!) that Tamiya do a clear orange paint so I ordered some from Value Models & Miniatures (http://www.valuemodelsandminiatures....moreinfo=27221) and painted the clear bulbs. It worked perfectly and I also compared left to right indicators as shinycar did to check that the brightness was a suitable match. The only thing I am concerned about is that the bulbs get very hot, so I will check in a few days to see if the paint is standing up ok and not discoloring.

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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

how are your globes holding up Carter? good mod, eh? post some pics if you can - would be great to see the results on a red GT.

i too had trouble finding the orange-tinted globes, and ended up buying from ebay-UK (i live in australia). this was quicker and easier than continuing searching around local stores.

the globes certainly heat up. hence the smoke i had from the experimental silver paint burning off!

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Hi Shinycar, yep good mod, I’m impressed. I took one of the indicators out a few weeks later to check the condition of the paint on the bulb and it was perfect, I was half expecting 'burnt amber'. It's an acrylic paint so maybe it's able to withstand heat better than a solvent based paint, it looks like Tamiya clear orange paint is the way to go if you struggle to find a suitable amber bulb.

I've attached pics of the painted amber bulb and a front view of my GT.

I think if I were to do this mod again I would paint the inside of the indicator housing silver as the aluminium reflector isn't really visible unless you crouch down. This means that all you can see is black plastic through the clear lens, silver would look better.
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

pics look good . i think i have some of the tamiya 'clear orange' too, and will keep that handy if i blow a globe, and can paint one of the originals.

yeah, if you want the indicators to stand out more, adding silver would be good. though i'm happy for a semi-stealth look: some people will notice them but they don't look out of place like 'orange' does, and some people won't notice them cos they blend in with the black grills.

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Hi Shiny car,

I am wanting to make my front indicators clear. What bulb do they take?
Also your headlight looks blue. What lights have you got?

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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

Nice touch mate. Subtle and cool.
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

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What bulb do they take?
Also your headlight looks blue. What lights have you got?
i replied to your PM.

but in summary, the bulbs were bought off ebay (in Europe btw). front repeaters take a BAY9S 21watt globe, but i modified BA9S globes (easy) cos i could not find BAY9S with orange tint.

blue globes for the highbeam are Philips Blue Vision; same for foglights. front sidelights are no-name dark-blue tint, again off ebay; H6W fitment.

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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

im assuming i could do this to my 147 GTA?
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Re: DIY PROJECT/STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE: modifying GT front repeaters to 'clear'

principles should be the same. so long as you can carefully crack open the housing, and presuming there's an orange filter inside that you can remove. i haven't seen the GTA repeaters close-up to know.

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