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Hmmm Is It Time For A Cambelt Change For My 147?

I have a 52 reg 2.0 litre 147 lusso.

In December 2006 when I had to have the variator changed I also had my cambelt changed. I had 59,000 miles on the clock.

Heading towards four years later I now have 76,000 miles on the clock.

Alfa's changed advice on when to change cambelts has left me confused and worried.

Timewise it is clear that the advice is to change the belt. Mileage wise I am nowhere near.

Am a playing a dangerous, and potentially very expensive game, by not having the cambelt changed? Or am I worrying unduly?

Advice will be very welcome indeed!
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3 years OR 36,000 miles whichever comes first.
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Yes! and everyone else will say so too! 36000 miles or 3 YEARS!
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Thank you for such quick and clear replies.

Can you believe that this is not the reply I was hoping for?

I can now add "cambelt change" to the fast approaching service, MOT and insurance.
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Problem with the running gear now on the TS/JTS engines is the 'metal' tensioner. Now before 2004 this was a plastic composite material (starting off black, then white, the black being the worst), these were 'easier' on the belt but being plastic composite tended to break up. The metal tensioner now is strong but it takes it out on the belt - hence the 3 years/36,000 miles rule.

Couple of extra points:

1) Get the idle bearing replaced as well - the timing gear comes as a kit from Alfa, cambelt/tensioner/idle bearing.

2) Since your 147 is roughly 8 years old get the waterpump done at the same time. These are robust but are not everlasting - they can seize destroying the belt. Only £35 odd and shouldn't be much extra labour involved.

3) Get the coolant changed at the same time.

4) Has the balance belt been changed before? If so you can probably leave it, if not balance belt/tensioner will need changing. If this breaks then goodbye cambelt.

5) If the alternator belt/tensioner/idle bearing has not ever been changed before this is the time to do it. Since all needs to come off to do the cambelt etc no extra labour should be involved.

The joys of the 2.0 TS/JTS engine..............

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The belt change interval was only reduced to it's current level well into the life of the TS engine. There's the odd one of us on here that went up to the old figure and past it in some cases. I for one never had the spare cash to do the belts on my 146Ti and winged it on nervously to 111000 miles and 12 years old. I told the guy I sold it to to get them changed ASAP and priced the car accordingly. He didn't take my warning and it lasted about a month till the first time he took it on a long trip.

I'd probably do it again if I was in the same position but it's not pleasant and you don't enjoy your car at all if you are waiting for the bang all the time.

But what the heck, I didn't have the £300 to change the belts so if they broke it didn't matter.I hadn't got the £800 to fix the engine either.
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There's the odd one of us on here that went up to the old figure and past it in some cases. I for one never had the spare cash to do the belts on my 146Ti and winged it on nervously to 111000 miles and 12 years old.
That is utterly ridiculous. And possibly a record.

Russian roulette anyone?
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Originally Posted by Spider95 View Post
That is utterly ridiculous. And possibly a record.

Russian roulette anyone?
I think Smaky did more or similar in his 146

Edit.. I just checked it was only 101000 I did not 111000
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Originally Posted by One Double Six View Post
I think Smaky did more or similar in his 146
He did. I think it was about the same as you. Interesting experiment, in a bizarre, surreal sort of way

But you both probably had the 'white' plastic composite tensioner (the teeth on the 'metal' tensioner are actually metal). No way on this green and pleasant earth would a belt last that long with the 'new' metal tensioner.
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Thanks for the updates.

Luckily I kept my invoice, and when I had the cambelt done, I also got "cambelt tensioner, idler bearing, balance shaft belt, balance belt, tensioner bearing, cam variator, auxilary belt, aux belt tensioner & idler bearing."

Sounds like the full works last time. I will bear your advice in mind Spider95.

When I had my 146ti, I never had the cam belt changed, then again, after the heater matrix blew up on the day I got the car, at 3 years old, and 3 months of ongoing troubles mostly spent in the dealer's garage, the mechanics decided the bulk head was warped and I needed a replacement engine. Fortunately all under dealer warranty, and not a spot of bother in the three years that followed.. But 110k without changing it? A courageous decision!
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Just the cambelt, tensioner and idle bearing then. And the waterpump........
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You might just want to add a variator while your at it sorry if thats more bad news but your engine will definately be good for another 36000 miles and no worries
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His variator has only done 17,000 miles though. The revised variator is much more robust (the internals are metal, not plastic like the old one) so should be ok. Another tip anyway is to keep the oil clean - changing oil/filter every 6,000 miles is a good idea, and will also help keep the variator healthy.

Are we paranoid or what?
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Originally Posted by Spider95 View Post
He did. I think it was about the same as you. Interesting experiment, in a bizarre, surreal sort of way

But you both probably had the 'white' plastic composite tensioner (the teeth on the 'metal' tensioner are actually metal). No way on this green and pleasant earth would a belt last that long with the 'new' metal tensioner.
I think Smaky might have been experimenting but in my case poverty brought on several strange decisions
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If ye getting the Cam belt changed my advice would be get the variator and water pump also done at the same time, to save further cost. Also get it done from an Alfa specialist who will do it properly and not the way of the tipex method....as they will have the correct tools...

Be worth your while and peace of mind
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A post script to this thread.

I had the work done last week. Inspection of the old cambelt showed that it was not too unhealthy, with no cracking visible after nearly four years but just 17k miles.

On the other hand, the water pump was showing signs of ware.

My thanks to those who pointed me in the right direction on this one. I can start enjoying my driving again without worrying about the cambelt
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Good decision, peace-of-mind is worth a lot!
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I've got an 2002 147 & I had the cambelt done at about 40,000km's due to everyone telling me to do it ASAP due to the apparently inherent dodginess of it from the factory. I'm on 160,000km's & in that time the only thing engine(sort of) related that has gone wrong is some 100 dollar electrical cable. Doing well I reckon.

Interesting that the water pump has been mentioned, never heard that about it. Will mention it to my Alfa mechanic.
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