Chip tuning

29-03-2003

Does anybody has experince with "Superchips" chip tuning on Alfa 147 105hp.

jason77 · 30-03-2003

AFAIK superchips are well nasty when it comes to the Alfa. (flame suit on

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That was prity much the concensus last time i heard someone asking about them for the 155, dunno if it's the same for the 147 tho.

Do squadra do a chip for the 147? no?
Probably best getting an autodelta remap instead.

rgrds

j

30-03-2003

First, I appollogies for my bad english. I really dont't know enough about chip tuning, and also of course, I'll afraid to do something wrong with chip tuning and destroy "my little sweet". Please, if somebode know some special about that, could be so nice and explane me. I'll be gratefull. Actualy, my dilemma is, if I remove my "old" original chip (105hp), and put it new like I said before, "Superchips" ( 10 hp more powerfull) what will happen whit fuel consumption (I suposse it is corect word) and eco-standard.

30-03-2003

zdravo!

upam da razumes slovensko. ce menjas chip se poraba ne bo veliko spremenila oz se sploh ne bo. vsaj pri meni je ostala priblizno ista.

pri masinah ki so letnik 1998 in novejse chipa ne menjas ampak samo prikljucijo na racunalnik in nalozijo nov program oz reprogramirajo chip.

pri chipu se pozna zelo malo ce ga menjas. 10 KM je zelo optimisticna ocena. pridobis predvsem na proznosti (navoru) ker motor boljse vlece ze od npr. 2800-3000 obratov ce je bilo to prej pri recimo 3700-4000.

lahko pa je problem ker imate na hrvaskem oz na INA pumpah bencin slabse kvalitete in ima dosti novejsih avtov tezave zaradi tega.

vec o chip tuningu imas na http://www.alfa155.com/155/Technical...-articles.html ---> stran bo ponovno on-line cez par dni...

moje mnenje:

ce dobis chip za cca. 200€ menjaj. ce stane chip na hrvaskem vec kot 300€ je skoda denarja ker ne pridobis toliko.

rarebear · 30-03-2003

chip tuning is not worth the money ! on Turbo cars they do a great job, but normal aspirated engines get some 10 bhp more and have a higher limit for the revs, so more revs more juice and more chance of ruining the valve train.

31-03-2003

Pozdrav axi !

Na zalost nisam sve razumio sto si napisao, osobito prvi dio. Ja sam to shvatio kao da si napisao da se potrošnja goriva i eko-standardi nece nista promjeniti. Imam priliku u DSM-u u Zagrebu staviti Superchips za 2600 Kn i garantiraju mi 10 KS. Ti znaci mislis da se nece osjetiti nikakva promjena i da je to neisplativo za ove "nase" standarde. Hvala na odgovoru !

31-03-2003

What can happen if software or diferent chip will not work propertly? Can they put it back old chip or old software ? Are this changing can demage machine or other parts? Does anybody can give me a guaranty for chip or machine?
Maybe this question is stuppid for some experts, but just like I told before, I wish hear more information about this.

Kristian Benning · 31-03-2003

Hi,

Had my 2.0TS chipped (Serially Reprogramming is actually what I paid for as no new chip) by Monza Sport (www.monzasport.co.uk) which cost around £300.
Basically the injectors are made to work harder and I had the rev limit raised to 7500rpm.
The car is definitely quicker, but will obviously use more fuel - I can't say how much as it's only 3 miles to work and with the engine being cold and stop/start traffic I'm probably only getting 20mpg
A few months after the mod, I needed my throttle body cleaning due to an uneven idle - this is most likely unrelated as I do alot of town driving.

Either way I'm glad I got it reprogrammed - next mod will hopefully be a Supersprint exhaust

jomor · 31-03-2003

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alfa 147:
. Actualy, my dilemma is, if I remove my "old" original chip (105hp), and put it new like I said before, "Superchips" ( 10 hp more powerfull) what will happen whit fuel consumption (I suposse it is corect word) and eco-standard.<hr /></blockquote>maybe there is a way to convert it to factory Alfa 120Hp, with AR program and variator but i guess it wont be a cheap conversion

Boris · 31-03-2003

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alfa 147:
Pozdrav axi !

Na zalost nisam sve razumio sto si napisao, osobito prvi dio. Ja sam to shvatio kao da si napisao da se potrošnja goriva i eko-standardi nece nista promjeniti. Imam priliku u DSM-u u Zagrebu staviti Superchips za 2600 Kn i garantiraju mi 10 KS. Ti znaci mislis da se nece osjetiti nikakva promjena i da je to neisplativo za ove "nase" standarde. Hvala na odgovoru !

<hr /></blockquote>Zaboravi na 10% dobitka snage na ne-turbo motorima. Toliko mozes dobiti samo ako se programiranje chipa radi na dynou + drugi filter + drugi ispuh, a to je jako skupo i toga kod nas nema.

Mr T · 31-03-2003

On all new Alfa's 156/147 the term superchip just refers to serial reprogramming of the standard chip, not a chip swap like on the 155.

Fuel Comsumption depends on the way the chip is programmed. A chip can be easily be reprogrammed to give better fuel consumption at light throttle and better preformance at heavy throttle positions.

I've also heard some bad news about Superchips but not on Alfa's. I would stick to somewhere that specialises in Chip Tuning Alfa's.

31-03-2003

or better still get a custom remap from a tuner who knows his stuff

31-03-2003

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alfa 147:
Pozdrav axi !

Na zalost nisam sve razumio sto si napisao, osobito prvi dio. Ja sam to shvatio kao da si napisao da se potrošnja goriva i eko-standardi nece nista promjeniti. Imam priliku u DSM-u u Zagrebu staviti Superchips za 2600 Kn i garantiraju mi 10 KS. Ti znaci mislis da se nece osjetiti nikakva promjena i da je to neisplativo za ove "nase" standarde. Hvala na odgovoru !

<hr /></blockquote>zdravo! pa mozem pokusiti pisati srbo-hrvatski pa ces vjerojatno vise razumjeti. i nadam da necete hrvati zamjeriti posto ste postali osjetljivi na ovakve stvari u poslednje vrijeme.

za eko standarde ne bih ti znao nista reci. ali mislim da nema neke promjene. ali potrosnja goriva je kod mene ostala prakticno ista. ako vozim penzionisticno na duge relacije onda mi pije recimo 7l na 100km minimum (recimo relacija LJ - dubrovnik po jadranskoj magistrali sa prosjecnom brzinom negde od 80-100 km/h u 5. brzini. a normalna voznja tamo negde oko 9.5-10.5l na 100km. vise se poznaje na potrosnji otkad sam stavio umjesto 195/55/15 guma 205/40/17. mozda nekih 0.3-0.5l na 100 km od oka.

mislim da je boris dobro rekao. 10 KS i to kod 1.6 masine sa 103 KS mislim da neces dobiti. znas kako je to kod nas i svuda po svetu. svi nesto garantiraju. tako i za sportske filtere garantiraju negde oko 5% odnosno 5 KS ali u 99% slucajeva ne dobijes toliko.
kada cu vidjeti na lastne oci koliko ima avto KS na dynotu prije i posle chipa vjerovat cu u ovih 10 KS ako ce biti. a dotad zame su to samo nepreverjene informacije nazalost.

ja sam dobio software kod mehanicara za nekih 1000 HRK i zato sam se odlucio za to. ja vise od maximum 2000 HRK ne bi dao - pa i 1500 HRK mi je mnogo zato sto dobijes. ne isplati se. ja imam menjan komplet auspuh od Supersprinta i kao sportski katalizator i preraden ispusni kolektor i sada sam dao jos chip. i kako kazem morao bi dobiti sa cipom nekih 13 KS (to kod 2.0 16V 155 KS masine). ali malo je vjerojatno da sam dobio toliko. mislim da cu uskoro da idem na dyno i da vidim koliko stvarno imam KS ali cini mi se da cu biti razocaran eek!

ali sa cipom dobijes vise navora jer ti avto bolje vuce vec od nekih 2800-3000 okretaja a prije recimo je bilo to od nekih 3.700-4000. i sada masina lepse radi pogotovo kada je hladna. prije je kad je bila masina hladna do 3.000 okretaja nije se dogodilo skoro nista. kao da bi masina dala samo nekih 50% snage. cudno. sada toga vise nema. i limitator okretaja je promnjen na 7.500 okretaja - to mislim da nije bas dobro ako ga cesto teram u te okretaje pa to ne radim bas cesto.

mislim da se ti vise isplati dati nekih 1700 HRK za eibach fedre nego da kupis cip. eibach ti je super. ili da promjenis nesto drugo.

31-03-2003

Stavio sam i K&N air filter, Remus straznji lonac, kao i opruge GM suspension, te gume Toyo Proxes T1-S 205/55 R15. Jedino me jos s oprostenjem jebe ovih 105 KS. Ovi u DSM-u tvrde da cu dobiti na okretnom momentu, povecanju konjskih snaga i konacnoj brzini. Necu valjda dozvoliti da me "peru" golfovi i gnojpeli. 120 KS je jedna solidna brojka za najmanju alficu.

rarebear · 31-03-2003

TALK ENGLISH !!!! geeezz what are you talking about ?

Hoygaard · 31-03-2003

It's a tad rude not to post in english in here, fella's. If you want to have a conversation in your native tongue, please use the PM thingy.

Rant over, ( Feel way better now, ahhh)

Cheers

Hoygaard

Toronto Spider · 31-03-2003

So Dutch is OK. Other languages are OK, but Croatian/Yugoslavian/whatever-language-they're-using isn't?

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but I thought we were a more understanding bunch. Yes I get frustrated when I can't understand what is going on, but shouldn't we be happy that our new member is getting advice that he can understand and ask questions in a language he feels comfortable speaking?

Personally I believe it might do Alfa 147 more good to get a variety of informed opinions, rather than just one (no matter how good that one opinion is), but what has stopped everybody from posting answers in English. Has anybody (in English) answered his question about whether he can revert back if he doesn't like his new chip? I know I don't have any good answers, but I'm sure people here do.

Just adding my two cents -- but I doubt it's worth even that much.

--Toronto

jason77 · 31-03-2003

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Has anybody (in English) answered his question about whether he can revert back if he doesn't like his new chip? I know I don't have any good answers, but I'm sure people here do. <hr /></blockquote>well.... if it's a chipe that replaces his OE one or 'piggy-backs' onto it then yes he can revert back to the 'old' setup. If it's a remap, then he's stuck with it.

However.. for insurance purposes a remap is better because there is no way to tell whatsoever that it's been done.. so you don't need to tell the ins. compnay... not that i would recommend not telling them

Performane wise.. there's not really a differance between a remap,chip replacement and piggy back units.

this help at all?

BTW i only know english.. well scottish

it is better for for replies to be in English that way i can enjoy everybodies view on the situation. However if ya wanna speak any other language on ya go.... but please post an english version or english notes too maybe?

rgrds

j

31-03-2003

sorry guys. didn't know posting in other language will bother you. especially as there are quite some replies in dutch and nobody argued or diasagreed

so it's a bit strange if it bothers you now when i'm writing in slovene/croatian language...

it's easier for me to give detailed answer in slovenian/croatian language than in english. that's the only reason.

OK so here's an english recap of my answers...

1. fuel consumption stayed basicaly almost same as before. (min 7l / 100km relation Ljubljana (SLO) - Dubrovnik (CRO), otherwise some 9.5-10l )

fuel consumption changed more due to putting wider tires and bigger wheels ( 195/55/15 -> 205/40/17).... it's higher cca. 0.3-0.5l because of this.

2. i don't believe he will get 10 BHP just with replacing the chip. my car has gained some torque. it's pulling better from 2700-3000 revs instead of 3.700-4000 whis was before the chip.

3. they "guarantee" to get 10 BHP more with chip on his 103 BHP alfa 147. my reply was that i do not believe in such guarantees until i see on my own eyes on dyno before and after chip how much BHP the car really has because the companies just want to sell us the stuff.

4. my opinion is that paying €300+ for a chip is 2much. it's not worth it. i payed for mine some €150. i bought it because it was quite cheap. but i wouldn't pay 300. so i advised him that it's better to buy something else for this money like eibach springs or something. and he already has changed the springs, exhaust etc.

i hope you're all happy know when you know what we were talking about..... eek!