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Old 12-05-2008   #1 (Post Link)
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ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Hey all...

Now basically:

Every time I get in the drivers seat I turn off the ASR using the button in between the front seats.. I'm wondering if there's a way to remove it..
So basically:
1)does it use a seperate unit or is it integral to the ECU?
2)does anyone know where it's located if it is seperate?
3)any major drawbacks/system problems with removal?

Any help appreciated!

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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

I belive it is all controlled by the ABS pump. (IIRC, if you look at the ABS pump it should have "ABS" and "TCS" or "ASR" engraved in it.

In theory, you can remove that and replace it with a bog standard "ABS" version.

Please bear in mind that the above is an educated guess, please don't take it as accurate technical advice. Speak to a pro first.


....alternativly, unplug an ABS sensor. that will cause the system to fault and the ASR and ABS will never switch on (though you will have several permanent error lights).
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Originally Posted by ransoman View Post
I belive it is all controlled by the ABS pump. (IIRC, if you look at the ABS pump it should have "ABS" and "TCS" or "ASR" engraved in it.

In theory, you can remove that and replace it with a bog standard "ABS" version.

Please bear in mind that the above is an educated guess, please don't take it as accurate technical advice. Speak to a pro first.


....alternativly, unplug an ABS sensor. that will cause the system to fault and the ASR and ABS will never switch on (though you will have several permanent error lights).
alrighty... sure I'll phone an Alfa Dealer looking for advice. Thanks
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

On question why???? Would you want to remove it?
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

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On question why???? Would you want to remove it?
because everytime i sit in the drivers' seat I turn it off anyway, but it restarts everytime the engine is started.
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

is it true that when OFF you have a better consumption or its a myth
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

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because everytime i sit in the drivers' seat I turn it off anyway, but it restarts everytime the engine is started.
But why?? It's a good system only cuts in when you need it?? I drove my Dad's 2litre 147 loads of times it never cuts only when it is needed and when it does cut it modulates the thortle perfect to stop the car spining but still give the optimum amount of power to the wheels.
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Originally Posted by Damien_C View Post
But why?? It's a good system only cuts in when you need it?? I drove my Dad's 2litre 147 loads of times it never cuts only when it is needed and when it does cut it modulates the thortle perfect to stop the car spining but still give the optimum amount of power to the wheels.
I always prefer driving without it. I drove my 147 for the first few months not even realizing it could be turned off, then i found out it could and tried it a few times and i just prefer it without
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

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I always prefer driving without it. I drove my 147 for the first few months not even realizing it could be turned off, then i found out it could and tried it a few times and i just prefer it without
Unless your driving around with your hair on fire or bursting for a **** I can't see how it interfers in your driving???
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

I'm not saying it interferes man, I'm saying I prefer it off and that i turn it off everytime I start the car. No point me having it in there basically.
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Damien, I am the same in mine, I prefer driving mine with ASR off, the throttle response is better.
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Your all loons esp you Techie.
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Originally Posted by techie View Post
Damien, I am the same in mine, I prefer driving mine with ASR off, the throttle response is better.
phew.. i was starting to think i was the only one lol

anyway, back to the point... is it removable? or just turn-off-able?
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Your all loons esp you Techie.
Why thank you, coming from you thats a compliment !!!!
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Damien, I am the same in mine, I prefer driving mine with ASR off, the throttle response is better.
it makes absolutely no difference. you have to learn what it is before you come and post about something so ridiculous and stop acting ignorant.

sorry but its the truth
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Originally Posted by rancido64 View Post
phew.. i was starting to think i was the only one lol

anyway, back to the point... is it removable? or just turn-off-able?
Would imagine it is messy to remove man. It will be tied into your ECU how it works is it kills the fuel mixture going to the engine and cuts back the thortle.

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Why thank you, coming from you thats a compliment !!!!
Lol, I'm not a mad driver at all I was showing how spectacular my 146 is.
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Originally Posted by amir_salami View Post
it makes absolutely no difference. you have to learn what it is before you come and post about something so ridiculous and stop acting ignorant.

sorry but its the truth
Excuse me, it does make a difference, if I accelerate hard in mine the asr light flashes and tries to control the tyres , asr off it does not and I get better acceleration !!!!!!
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Originally Posted by Damien_C View Post
Would imagine it is messy to remove man. It will be tied into your ECU how it works is it kills the fuel mixture going to the engine and cuts back the thortle.
anyone know if it can be permanently deactivated? without causing a load of warning lights to come on preferably lol
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Guys, lets not go overboard here... lets keep it on topic
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Re: ASR/Traction Control - questions..

Fair enough, I doubt it can be disabled permanently as it is a safety device .
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Originally Posted by rancido64 View Post
anyone know if it can be permanently deactivated? without causing a load of warning lights to come on preferably lol
Doubt it man just do what you do at the moment unless you want to go down the standalone ecu route but for a Motec or a decent one your looking at 2-3k euro.
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