Q4 engine in to 145

Hİ Has anyone installed Q4 engine on 145 Q ?I buy an Q4 engine and want to installed on my car

It can be done. Seen a 1996 146ti with the Q4 engine here in Malaysia. Running front drive only.
Your problems will start with mating the gearbox with the Q4.

Clutch will need to be upgraded.

Results are definately a fast car with better handling than the Fiat Coupes.

Yes I have also heard that there had been a swap like this in Germany but I don't have any pics and I need some do you know a adress for pics ?

Hi Cem , did you buy the engine or will you buy the engine ? You can ask to maxi. He can help

hi platy I buy the engine

the 2.0 16v turbo from a fiat coupe is a much easier swap as the coupe is fwd to start with.

20v be more fun though.

you try fitting that fecker and a gearbox in a 145!!

hi everyone!!
i know its an old topic but i happen to have a q4 engine too!!
i want to fit it in my 145 and even though i know it can be done,
i dont know the problems!!!
has anybody done this kind of transformation??

This is alfacem's completed 145 with the Q4 engine in...

Turbo 145 in Turkey

And this is AJ's 145 with a Fiat Coupe 16vt engine in...

Fiat 16vt Engined 145

The process for fitting the Q4 should be similar to fitting the 16vt as it's basically the same engine although you would need to do something with the front differential / transfer box if you're not planning to run it in 4WD setup. The differential, transfer box & gearbox from a Coupe engine might fit but I'm not 100% sure if the mounting points for those items on the Q4 and 16vt are exactly the same. You would need to see both engines side-by-side to be sure.

I will watch with interest if you go ahead with it

There is also a coupe with Integrale running gear on the Fiat Coupe forum. 155Q4 running gear should be a fairly easy swap to a 145, the rear sub frame should go straight on. Also Dedra Integrale running gear is a direct fit (with some minor modifications required) - but good luck trying to find one!

Q4 engine is the same as the coupe 16vt (which is an easy fit). The transfer box I'm not sure on - if anything you might need to drop it for the Coupe final drive, or just get a coupe box.

You'll also need the hubs, brakes and struts as they are all bigger than the standard 145 stuff.

This is another 145 with the 16v Dedra integrale engine in...

Croatian 145 Turbo Integrale

i have almost all the mechanical parts of the q4!
next week i will decide if i go ahead with the project.
depending the budget.Hope i can affort it!
thank you all, i keep you informed of the progress!

The 16VT will be a better swap. It can be made as fast if not faster than the 20V, it is also smaller, and weighs less than the 20VT.

The 20VT with gearbox weighs about the same as the Alfa V6 with gearbox.

The 16VT will be about 40kg lighter. Its still heavier than the TS though.

The only problem is 16VT engines in good order are rare, and things like cranks are expensive as they cannot be reground.

You will also need to upgrade the springs due to the extra weight. I suppose the Fiat coupe items could be used though. The fiat also has thicker anti roll bars than the QV.

Originally Posted by symonh2000

The only problem is 16VT engines in good order are rare, and things like cranks are expensive as they cannot be reground.

The cranks can actually be reground if they're still within tolerence as long as they are re-nitrided again by someone who knows how to do that properly.

Thanks GE, you are probably right. I was just quoting from this...

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