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Bleeding Selespeed

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#1 ·
:) Please someone help. I have a 156 Veloce Selespeed 2.0l, the engine went pop so I took it to a friends garage, when he stripped the engine down, the big ends had gone on no3 and the crank had bent so could not be reconned. I bought a new crank and all the bearings, which have now been installed along with a new pick up pipe which was fractured. The engine has been serviced, cam belts changed. After refitting the engine into the car and all bits and pieces reconnected, the car starts and runs fine, but, I have a problem. The Selespeed warning light is flashing on the dash and I can only get 1st 2nd Rev and Neutral. All electrical connections have been checked and rechecked and nothing is loose. Does anyone know how to bleed the Selespeed properly? As far as I am aware you fill up the reservoir select the gears a few times then top up and repeat a few times until you have used about 2ltrs of (Ithink) Dextron. When a gear is selected the display is flashing instead of being steady does anyone know what this means? I suppose taking it to an Alfa dealer is an answer but the nearest one is 20miles away and having just rebuilt the engine it is a long way to go in Second gear. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.


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#2 ·
Hi dr1v3r. mmmm, you've been in the wars! I think you need to consider getting the selespeed recalibrated, approx £80 at a stealers. They need the examiner system to do this. It's usuallyu the first place to start. Bit awkward to go 20miles in 2nd - can you get a tow/trailered? Will your breakdown co. take you? Also, is your battery in tip top condition? This is a must, it takes hardly any decrease in power from the battery to cause gear change problems. Not sure about beeding the selespeed but 2ltr of Dextron seems an awfull lot - the reservoir only holds 0.6ltr.

I'm no expert, these are just the things I've learnt from my 'bleeding' sele!

Good luck.

Dai.
 
#3 ·
If you put the actuator back in the exact same position as when you removed it, you should have no trouble at all.

However, if you have fiddled around with the sensors there's no way back. You have to submit to the mercy of your local dealer. They should be able to run a clutch and gearchange bleed and sensor initialisation routine. I'm pretty sure the independants can't do that
 
#9 ·
Calm down!

you said: "I'm pretty sure the independents can't do that"

Most good Independent Alfa specialists in the UK have the Examiner now. It is several years since the "Block Exemption" rulings meant that manufacturers have to make the equipment and data available.

No the Examiner is not cheep, somewhere around £3500 plus a yearly service charge for software updates & support.
 
#12 ·
Sorry, I really did not intend coming on agressive like :cry: . I've been away for a while and forgot the true meaning of smilies. I was just assuming that most indies would rely on more generic solutions and were'nt willing to splash out the cash.

Yes, I'm aware of the block exemption rule, I was just figuring that you may have first or second hand knowledge on the issue, knowledgeable as you are, and since I'm on the verge of buying a generic EOBD tool, I was hoping that the examiner had dropped significantly in price. That's all. Sorry if I offended you
 
#11 ·
dextron isn't that automatic or pas fluid used in gearboxes or steering systems if so its the wrong oil and your troubles are only just beginning
Selespeed fluid is a high spec full synthetic ATF fluid.

Most D3 spec ATF fluids are not full synthetic and are too thick when cold (and the system doesn't generate heat like an autobox does) so it is important to use the right stuff.
 
#13 ·
No worries.

It would be very difficult for an individual that wasn't an Alfa Garage to purchase an Examiner anyway.
They don't make the process simple!
I know the process that friends of mine went through to get theirs and it wasn't as simple as it should have been.

As for non-Alfa diag tools, the DEC Superscan gets close to the Examiner, but can't do everything. Plus it isn't cheep either. So not really a DIY tool.
 
#15 ·
You may have the wrong pin connections in the diag socket.

OBD2 is a std for the USA only and was never used on any Alfa.

In theory EOBD is a universal std, but it still isn't as "std" as it should be. The use of different pins by different makes for example.
 
#16 ·
As far as I know the OBD, OBDII and EOBD only have the +12 volt and ground signal in common. They may share the K and L-line pins, but the protocol between the OBD and EOBD is to my knowledge, totally different (somethingabout the k-line being obsolete in the EOBD standard)

Your interface might work with all three standards, but you really need the right software. With a little bit of searching, you should be able to find something useable.

Best wishes
Hoygs

PS; please keep us posted on your findings!
 
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